Last Night's NEC Meeting

Nigel Garage · 07-12-2004, 03:33 PM

I've been speaking to an NEC member who was at the meeting last night, and this is some of what he/she told me. I emphasise this is only what I was told, and if anyone has other information which conflicts, please let us know.

The draft manifesto was unveiled and went down like a lead balloon, even among Farage's puppets. It was described as "a comic". There was nothing on pensions, benefits or taxes. Most of it was about farming and fishing. It was also badly written. It has now been sent back to the drawing board.

It was claimed legal opinion had been received re. Kilroy's challenge, but when asked for paperwork (ie. a lawyer's letter), the NEC was told it had been "left at home".

A letter was given out for the NEC to sign, pledging that they would refuse to serve under Kilroy-Silk. Some refused to sign.

No money has been remitted to Head Office from Ashford since April, and it's unlikely that any money ever will be.

UKIP is entitled to 27 full time researchers in the EU Parliament, but only makes use of 3.

mkpdavies · 07-12-2004, 03:38 PM

I'm sure the NEC will make a statement at some point. I will wait for that.

Bellatrix · 07-12-2004, 04:15 PM

3? I don't think so! Bloody hell, it's busy enough as it is without sacking huge numbers of people!

Nigel Garage · 07-12-2004, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bellatrix

3? I don't think so! Bloody hell, it's busy enough as it is without sacking huge numbers of people!

Care to give details of UKIP's 'huge numbers' of researchers? Names?

Carl Faulkner · 07-12-2004, 05:02 PM

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A letter was given out for the NEC to sign, pledging that they would refuse to serve under Kilroy-Silk. Some refused to sign

If the above is true, the author should not be in a democratic party. That sort of control freak bullying is what the EU is all about.

Who was the author?

Graham Livings · 07-12-2004, 05:08 PM

Fellow Members

I've no wish to exacerbate the imbogilo, played out over the 'leadership' wholly aware the media, moreso our real opponents, happy to indulge in black propoganda, the maxim, divide & rule! I've spent over thirty years, within Somerset, borne & bred, probably contesting more elections, than any other individual, as an 'independent' candidate, win some, lose some. To win we must be focused, accepted as a constitutional party, bottom up, one individual, one vote, why should this be in denial?

We're not a Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyist/Fascist Party, were a democratic party, acknowledging, subjects of HM Queen Elizabeth 11, abandoned by HM Government, 1 November 1993, on the day the people of Great Britain, subjects of HM Queen Elizabeth 11, lost their independence as a result of the infamous Maastricht Treaty, negotiated without their consent & against their wishes by a government which they had elected to protect their interest & became citizens of the European Union.

We've a herculian task, to have in place, candidates to contest the forthcoming General Election, no sense of urgency from the centre, moreso those embryo constituencies, with skeleton branches. I had the great privelege, with a handful of like minded individuals, to secure INTO phpbb_posterity, All Saints Church, Langport, therein interred Walter Bagehot 'The English Constitution (1867) "The Cabinet" By the structure of the world we often want, at the sudden occurence of grave tempest, to change the helmsman - to replace the pilot of the CALM, by the pilot of the STORM'!

Our history is full of such occurences, moreo our west country forebears. Colleagues, let's enjoin, The Battle for Britain 2005, in unity behind the leadership, whoever of the 'TEMPEST' this coming 'batttle' to the equal, to that generation, who gave their yesterdays, for our tomorrows, the paradox, no warfare, just an X on a ballot slip, never, never, lose sight of this!

Graham E Livings
sometime 611th mayor of Wells
www.wells.gov.uk

Nigel Garage · 07-12-2004, 05:11 PM

Just asked my contact. He/she doesn't know who wrote it, but presumes Nigel Farage or Petrina Holdsworth. It was handed round by Nigel.

Another thing I was just told re. the legal situation is that when he/she asked for the name of the lawyer who gave the party legal advice, the answer from Tony Stone was "I can't remember".

You really couldn't make it up.

doc_cruel · 07-12-2004, 05:15 PM

Graham - you're right we need to be as one but we must not follow blindly if we're on the wrong course!
We need to have faith in the majority and belief that the needs of the majority should outweight the political chess of a few elites!

Johnny Hates Jazz · 07-12-2004, 07:36 PM

What a bunch of Amateurs !

Nigel Garage · 08-12-2004, 04:46 PM

A copy of the draft manifesto has been passed on to me. Cole has put bits of it on his blog. I can't paste the whole thing, but here's some of it. I hope to God this is some sort of sick joke...

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The Road Map to self-Government
If it is the will of the British people, democratically expressed, that Britain should leave the European Union (EU) the following will take place.

UK Resumption of Sovereignty
National independence for Britain only requires (at the moment) the repeal of the European Communities Act, 1972 by a British Parliament. On the day (Independence Day) of such an event Britain becomes, immediately, a free, self-governing nation. There would, however, still be a number of important issues to be resolved. For that purpose a period of 24 months will be designated the ‘transition period’ so that those issues can be addressed.

Managing freedom
On Independence Day a new Ministry, the Ministry of EU Transitional Arrangements (META), headed by a senior Cabinet Minister with a second-in-command from the Opposition, will be charged with the responsibility of managing and negotiating the transition period.

All other relevant ministries will report to META on all transition matters. META will be staffed by senior executives from the British private sector, from business, transport, energy, City, farming, fishing and legal circles. META will complete the bulk of its work by the end of the transition period but will remain in existence for a further two years to help resolve any outstanding issues. By statute it will be dissolved exactly four years after Independence Day.

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LAW and ORDER

Background.

Law and order in Britain today increasingly is failing to protect the citizenry. Policing appears non-existent with little if any public presence. Crime is rising, especially crimes of violence and public disorder. The detection rate is low. The traditional relationship between the police and public built on trust, support and confidence, unique to these islands, has vanished. The law appears no longer to protect the weak, the young or the elderly.

The courts and the administration of justice are similarly viewed with cynicism. Sentencing bears little resemblance to public expectation and appears more a device to keep the prison population low rather than as a deterrent. More and more legislation is being introduced that criminalises wider areas of the population without affecting the real criminal.

Centuries-old magistrates’ courts and hundreds of police stations are being closed. The important links between communities and local, accountable law enforcement are being broken on the alter of a new EU code of justice known as Corpus Juris.

There is an urgent need to re-establish both the traditional physical and cultural link between the people and the law. It is the core of a democratic, free nation.

British law has always allowed a householder or a person under attack the right to protect life and property. Recently, there has been a steady erosion of that right in favour of the assailant or the trespasser. Increasingly this has led to court action against the victim and in favour of the wrong-doer. This is patently against natural justice.

UKIP considers that a person who is subject to unlawful attack or intrusion should have the right to use whatever force they consider necessary to prevent the continuance of that unlawful conduct.

NB Zero Tolerance?

Proposed policy

The Police Service.

‘(1) Any move to reduce the number of police forces in England and Wales, either by regionalising or nationalising the Service, is opposed.

(2) Local Police Authorities should be wholly elected by the community and have greater powers in the selection and appointment of senior officers (ACPO) and in holding to account those officers in the discharge of their duties including the disposition of resources and the performance of the force.

(3) Local Consultative groups should be elected to represent their communities and have more power to identify and influence, through consultative meetings and through the Police Authority, the disposition of resources and the performance of the force.

(4) The Police Service should be excluded from the Equal Opportunities legislation.(?)

(5) There should be established a Police Complaints Department that is separate and independent of the Police Service.

(6) The decision to charge and to prosecute should be returned to the Police Service.(?)

(7) The training of Police officers should be reviewed and the need for a fast-track career structure questioned.

The Judicial System.

(9) The Crown Prosecution Service will be abolished.(?) Less red tape

(10) Local Magistrates’ Courts will be re-opened.

(11) The Lay Magistrates system will be encouraged and their powers of sentencing strengthened. (No) Petrina’s view is that they are not competent anyway!

(12) Judges will retain their independence but should be aware of the views of the local communities in which they sit.(?)

(13) The Home Office shall, apart from legislation passed in Parliament, be advisory and responsible for common services including the provision of training.(?) Expand

(14) If required, more prisons will be built.

(15) Sentencing will be strengthened and the introduction of minimum-maximum sentences considered. “Life means life” Remission (good behaviour) looked into.

(16) The re-introduction of the death penalty will be debated and a referendum on it offered to the public.

(17) Where a person is subject to an unlawful assault or intrusion INTO phpbb_their dwelling then that person may use such force as they consider necessary in order to defend themselves or their property.

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TRANSPORT

Background.

In a post-EU situation it is likely that more would-be goods will be sourced from within the UK, exchanges with EU countries will grow at a lower rate and trade with
the rest of world will expand. The resulting significant changes in transport patterns and demand would render many of the current growth projections invalid, especially in the congest South-East.

Whilst UKIP deplores the thousands of millions of pounds so recklessly squandered on rail privatisation, we do not believe it would be realistic to return to the original status quo, nationalisation.

Proposed policy

‘All rail services should remain under one co-ordinating authority with a robust remit and targets and strict monitoring. Financial support should be considered for certain areas funded, in part, from savings made on discontinued excessive regime ‘safety’ regulations imposed by the EU.

Public investment in the railfreight infrastructure of routes to UK ports should be increased as appropriate.’

UKIP recognises the indispensable role played by the motor car in everyday life. It deplores the policies of successive governments and their efforts to oppress and criminalize motorists and to extract revenue from them.

With government and local authority-inspired ‘integrated’ transport schemes proving generally wasteful and ineffectual, UKIP will concentrate available resources on measures designed to keep traffic moving. These would include

· Reducing existing traffic lights at roundabouts to flashing orange operation.

· Replacing traffic lights-controlled junctions with roundabouts.

· Wider use of smart traffic lights and orange flashing signals.

· Conversion of traffic calming INTO phpbb_traffic flow without compromising safety.

· Introduction of higher, staged speed limits on motorways.

· Prohibiting overtaking by lorries on motorways.

· Downgrading bus lanes from ‘no entry’ to ‘no obstruction’ status.

· The use of speed cameras will be examined and unless it can be proved they reduce accidents their use will be discontinued. They will never be used solely as a means of raising revenue.

UKIP does not advocate the abandonment of the Road Fund Licence in favour of higher fuel duty, on account of the unfair burden this would impose on the less well off. However, we would introduce a staged system in order to reflect and encourage the use of greener and smaller vehicles. For example:

· Abolition for new vehicles of less than 1.3 litres and all solar, hybrid or electric vehicles.

· Vehicles of 1.3 litres and above charged at a flat rate of (£10?) per 100cc engine capacity.

UKIP would tackle road fund licence evasion by requiring the licence to be presented to the insurers to obtain insurance, rather than vice-versa. Vehicles would then be required to display only an insurance disk . vehicles without a valid insurance disk would be immobilized/impounded.

I know I'm always criticising the party leaders, but I really wanted them to come up with a credible manifesto (like in 2001), because we're all going to have to campaign on it.

But the document I've been sent is unthought-out, badly written and could be pulled apart by any opponent with half a brain. Manifestos should be thoroughly researched and watertight documents, not a pie-in-the-sky wishlist!

The media will quite rightly tear us apart if this turns out to be our manifesto.

07-12-2004, 03:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
Nigel Garage Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ashford Posts: 557	Last Night's NEC Meeting I've been speaking to an NEC member who was at the meeting last night, and this is some of what he/she told me. I emphasise this is only what I was told, and if anyone has other information which conflicts, please let us know. The draft manifesto was unveiled and went down like a lead balloon, even among Farage's puppets. It was described as "a comic". There was nothing on pensions, benefits or taxes. Most of it was about farming and fishing. It was also badly written. It has now been sent back to the drawing board. It was claimed legal opinion had been received re. Kilroy's challenge, but when asked for paperwork (ie. a lawyer's letter), the NEC was told it had been "left at home". A letter was given out for the NEC to sign, pledging that they would refuse to serve under Kilroy-Silk. Some refused to sign. No money has been remitted to Head Office from Ashford since April, and it's unlikely that any money ever will be. UKIP is entitled to 27 full time researchers in the EU Parliament, but only makes use of 3.

07-12-2004, 03:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,832 Party: Libertarian Party	I'm sure the NEC will make a statement at some point. I will wait for that. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

07-12-2004, 05:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Graham Livings Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9	Mendip Man! Fellow Members I've no wish to exacerbate the imbogilo, played out over the 'leadership' wholly aware the media, moreso our real opponents, happy to indulge in black propoganda, the maxim, divide & rule! I've spent over thirty years, within Somerset, borne & bred, probably contesting more elections, than any other individual, as an 'independent' candidate, win some, lose some. To win we must be focused, accepted as a constitutional party, bottom up, one individual, one vote, why should this be in denial? We're not a Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyist/Fascist Party, were a democratic party, acknowledging, subjects of HM Queen Elizabeth 11, abandoned by HM Government, 1 November 1993, on the day the people of Great Britain, subjects of HM Queen Elizabeth 11, lost their independence as a result of the infamous Maastricht Treaty, negotiated without their consent & against their wishes by a government which they had elected to protect their interest & became citizens of the European Union. We've a herculian task, to have in place, candidates to contest the forthcoming General Election, no sense of urgency from the centre, moreso those embryo constituencies, with skeleton branches. I had the great privelege, with a handful of like minded individuals, to secure INTO phpbb_posterity, All Saints Church, Langport, therein interred Walter Bagehot 'The English Constitution (1867) "The Cabinet" By the structure of the world we often want, at the sudden occurence of grave tempest, to change the helmsman - to replace the pilot of the CALM, by the pilot of the STORM'! Our history is full of such occurences, moreo our west country forebears. Colleagues, let's enjoin, The Battle for Britain 2005, in unity behind the leadership, whoever of the 'TEMPEST' this coming 'batttle' to the equal, to that generation, who gave their yesterdays, for our tomorrows, the paradox, no warfare, just an X on a ballot slip, never, never, lose sight of this! Graham E Livings sometime 611th mayor of Wells www.wells.gov.uk

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07-12-2004, 04:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bellatrix Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 625	3? I don't think so! Bloody hell, it's busy enough as it is without sacking huge numbers of people!

07-12-2004, 05:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Nigel Garage Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ashford Posts: 557	Just asked my contact. He/she doesn't know who wrote it, but presumes Nigel Farage or Petrina Holdsworth. It was handed round by Nigel. Another thing I was just told re. the legal situation is that when he/she asked for the name of the lawyer who gave the party legal advice, the answer from Tony Stone was "I can't remember". You really couldn't make it up.

07-12-2004, 05:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
doc_cruel Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 213	Graham - you're right we need to be as one but we must not follow blindly if we're on the wrong course! We need to have faith in the majority and belief that the needs of the majority should outweight the political chess of a few elites!

07-12-2004, 07:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	What a bunch of Amateurs !