Leadership battle is going to court

Dave · 07-12-2004, 01:25 PM

MKPD The "attack" is not out of order, Tony has always asked for those who post to have back up on the points they make and rightly so, but to read Tonys letter, clearly he is making assumptions and has nothing to back up what he is saying.

Perhaps Tony needs to look at how he words his letters, from the one sent to the party chairman shows a sycophantic tendency, just read it, it presumes far too much and then apologises for interfering, Tony it is your bloody party interfere as much as you want and don't apologise for doing it.

And as for RKS/RK I have not mentioned a dickie bird about it, my problem is with assumptions made, I would have the same problem if it were the other way round.

I am as many frustrated with what is going on and lets be honest the leadership do not wish to compromise, RKS and his team do not wish to compromise, so lets just get it over and done with, there can be no compromise where Great Britain is at stake, yet as Carl points out MEPs may indeed be getting to comfortable, so far only two have been selected as PPCs, are the others even going to bother to try.

Don't sit on the fence, have confidence in your beliefs in all things, from leadership to policy.

Regards
Dave

Johnny Hates Jazz · 07-12-2004, 02:00 PM

Guys I think the following will happen:-

RKS will find a different 'political vehicle' to become 'The Leader' of the Anti-European Cause for the next General Election.

UKIP members and Candidates will move in vast numbers to the new Vehicle, and will unite with ALL other Anti-European groups - to kick out the traditional political elite once and for all.

The new 'political vehicle' will gain substantial publicity and finance under the leadership of RKS, and therefore gain Parliamentary Seats - changing the face of British Politics. The RKS led 'political vehicle' could well become the official opposition.

Existing UKIP will have no serious funds to fight the next General Election, and therefore cease to be a political force once the exisiting MEP's have served their term.

This is a bad day for UKIP, however a good day for all Anti-European Sceptic Parties - a good day for Britain and England.

The problem with UKIP has never been it's membership, it has always been at the NC level, where they have never been able to recognise opportunities and have simply remained a 'Campaign Group' to make the Conservative Party change policy.

ED

Anthony Butcher · 07-12-2004, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

What a presumptious statement, how do you know it was "rightly Rejected", how do you know that "they deliberately failed to follow the constitutional rules"

I know that it was rightly rejected because they deliberately chose not to follow the constitutional rules.

They were supposed to get each branch to send in a separate form application together with a cheque for £100. What they actually did was submit a motion with the names of 51 branches on it.

The NEC simply cannot accept that, since it is unconstitutional.

The leadership campaign people know this, and it is very clearly laid out. I even put out an email to this effect before the bid was submitted telling them that it would be dismissed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

Are you looking for a place at the heart of the Cabal, you complain when someone posts something with no back up, and now we see you toadying and being sycophantic, why not go round to Nigels and stick your tongue straight down the back of his trousers.

Grow up. If you can't bring yourself to support the NEC when they uphold the constitution, why are you here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Garage

But you're right that AB is too ready to assume the worst of RKS.

I can't see any other reason. RKS is a clever chap, and politically skilled. He must know that if he didn't get it submitted properly, according to the constitution, it would be rejected. And I would say it is to create just this kind of situation, whereby he can claim to be an aggrieved party having his rights denied. Can you offer a reason why they would improperly submit the application?

There is no need for a legal challenge, they just need to submit the application properly, and the NEC would have to accept it.

I am neither "anti" nor "pro" Kilroy-Silk. As with the other two moderators, I have tried to remain neutral and find solutions to the issues.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

Tony it is your bloody party interfere as much as you want and don't apologise for doing it.

It never hurts to be polite, and it doesn't help to keep niggling at party officials either. They are probably inundated with people moaning and sticking their oar in over this issue.

mkpdavies · 07-12-2004, 02:14 PM

Thanks for that totaly unbiased view ENGLISH DEMOCRAT.

If RKS really has the support of the party membership, he will tough it out, and look to impress all the people who are not yet conviced enough to support him (me being one of them!).

I stand by my point that this is all way to late in the day now. Especially if the courts get involved, so if both sides are clever, they will look to impress the membership, so that people like me will have some real information to back their decision on. As opposed to the mud slinging info we have had for the past few months.

I urge all sides to prove to its membership that they are capable and worthy of the leadership.

Anthony Butcher · 07-12-2004, 02:17 PM

Petrina's reply:

Quote:

Thank you for your email. Obviously Roger had considered ( as one of the options open to him)the possibilty of resigning and allowing a leadership election to take place .

He has however decided against that and taken the view that it would be in the best interests of the party to continue in post as he is fully entitled to and to take us INTO phpbb_the next election .He has done this after taking considerable soundings from within the party at all levels.

yours sincerely,

Petrina Holdsworth

jp · 07-12-2004, 02:28 PM

We now have a little more information here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4075063.stm

What a sad state of affairs!

doc_cruel · 07-12-2004, 02:33 PM

A sad state of affairs indeed - we should have a referendum now and put this issue to bed before to hurts us more.

What does Knapman & co hope to gain by trying to ignore the situation?

UKIP's Wokingham branch chairman Michael Harvey is among those calling for a leadership vote. isn't there a member from Wokingham on this board?

mkpdavies · 07-12-2004, 02:34 PM

Quote:

On Tuesday, UKIP spokesperson Quentin Williamson

Who that then. Do we have a real spokesman now then?

Quote:

UKIP's Wokingham branch chairman Michael Harvey is among those calling for a leadership vote.

Can the BBC get anything right. WOKING you muppets, it's WOKING!

So this is all going to drag on, and it's going to stay bitter the whole time. Looks like it is down to the membership to fight this election, what a shambles.

mkpdavies · 07-12-2004, 02:35 PM

Oh and I forgot to add, being from the WOKING branch, that noone has asked my opinion at that level!

jp · 07-12-2004, 02:39 PM

mkpd: Your branch chairman is taking the members acquiescence for granted??

07-12-2004, 02:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,842 Party: Libertarian Party	Thanks for that totaly unbiased view ENGLISH DEMOCRAT. If RKS really has the support of the party membership, he will tough it out, and look to impress all the people who are not yet conviced enough to support him (me being one of them!). I stand by my point that this is all way to late in the day now. Especially if the courts get involved, so if both sides are clever, they will look to impress the membership, so that people like me will have some real information to back their decision on. As opposed to the mud slinging info we have had for the past few months. I urge all sides to prove to its membership that they are capable and worthy of the leadership. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,842 Party: Libertarian Party	Oh and I forgot to add, being from the WOKING branch, that noone has asked my opinion at that level! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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07-12-2004, 01:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dave Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 229	MKPD The "attack" is not out of order, Tony has always asked for those who post to have back up on the points they make and rightly so, but to read Tonys letter, clearly he is making assumptions and has nothing to back up what he is saying. Perhaps Tony needs to look at how he words his letters, from the one sent to the party chairman shows a sycophantic tendency, just read it, it presumes far too much and then apologises for interfering, Tony it is your bloody party interfere as much as you want and don't apologise for doing it. And as for RKS/RK I have not mentioned a dickie bird about it, my problem is with assumptions made, I would have the same problem if it were the other way round. I am as many frustrated with what is going on and lets be honest the leadership do not wish to compromise, RKS and his team do not wish to compromise, so lets just get it over and done with, there can be no compromise where Great Britain is at stake, yet as Carl points out MEPs may indeed be getting to comfortable, so far only two have been selected as PPCs, are the others even going to bother to try. Don't sit on the fence, have confidence in your beliefs in all things, from leadership to policy. Regards Dave

07-12-2004, 02:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	Guys I think the following will happen:- RKS will find a different 'political vehicle' to become 'The Leader' of the Anti-European Cause for the next General Election. UKIP members and Candidates will move in vast numbers to the new Vehicle, and will unite with ALL other Anti-European groups - to kick out the traditional political elite once and for all. The new 'political vehicle' will gain substantial publicity and finance under the leadership of RKS, and therefore gain Parliamentary Seats - changing the face of British Politics. The RKS led 'political vehicle' could well become the official opposition. Existing UKIP will have no serious funds to fight the next General Election, and therefore cease to be a political force once the exisiting MEP's have served their term. This is a bad day for UKIP, however a good day for all Anti-European Sceptic Parties - a good day for Britain and England. The problem with UKIP has never been it's membership, it has always been at the NC level, where they have never been able to recognise opportunities and have simply remained a 'Campaign Group' to make the Conservative Party change policy. ED

07-12-2004, 02:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
jp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,000	We now have a little more information here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4075063.stm What a sad state of affairs!

07-12-2004, 02:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
doc_cruel Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 213	A sad state of affairs indeed - we should have a referendum now and put this issue to bed before to hurts us more. What does Knapman & co hope to gain by trying to ignore the situation? UKIP's Wokingham branch chairman Michael Harvey is among those calling for a leadership vote. isn't there a member from Wokingham on this board?

07-12-2004, 02:39 PM	#20 (permalink)
jp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,000	mkpd: Your branch chairman is taking the members acquiescence for granted??