UKIP Press releases.

mkpdavies · 06-12-2004, 10:23 PM

It's not Anthony you want to worry about! :twisted:

Happy to have leadership debate here as long as it is fresh new comment, with backed up claims. Also Kept within appropriate threads and not hijackings of other threads. We don't want this forum decending INTO phpbb_a tedious bickering contest, and trust me, it makes our lives easier if everyone shows a bit of restraint!

C_steam · 06-12-2004, 10:33 PM

Of course Intbel is correct, but letters to press from the pblic (no matter if Jo or Joe) do not have the impact that an official party spokeman may have.

Secondly, without a manifesto to guide us we are on fairly shaky ground once we go off the main 'anti-eu' topic - and what we don't want to do is give the impression we are a one issue party.

I compliment you on your loyalty to our current leadership - we should be behind them. I have no issues with Knapman, I'm sure he's a nice bloke with the best intent and could continue to play a major role in the party but, Intbel, - are we STRONGLY led? and to get back to the point, why no effective press releases?

Anthony Butcher · 06-12-2004, 11:42 PM

They don't call him Matt the Hatchet for nothing! (or at all in fact).

Like C_steam, I am extremely concerned about the lack of public announcements, press conferences, press releases, photo opportunities, policy pledges, interviews, TV appearances and so on.

I would expect a party seeking to feature well in the general election to be appearing in the papers and on telly at least once per day. The Tories are going hell for leather at the moment. Although, to be fair, it isn't doing them a great deal of good. But at least they are being taken seriously to some extent.

Perhaps we have a lot of material being stored up for an explosion during the last three months leading up to the election? We can only hope that our strategists have a cunning plan. :shock:

In the mean time, I am thinking that we need to be doing our bit locally. The difficulty is going to be getting INTO phpbb_the local papers, especially if they don't want to be seen as overly political.

I am nervous about pronouncing on party policy and making a stink locally, just in case the manifesto says something completely different.

Intbel · 07-12-2004, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doc_cruel

Intbel - that's a sweet notion and one I wish was true but in reality it's always the general who leads the charge! Without direction what can we do? You ask jo public what they think about UKIP they'll probably say we were a one of for the last european election!

Um .. it is true.
I have demonstrated how it can work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_steam

I compliment you on your loyalty to our current leadership - we should be behind them. I have no issues with Knapman, I'm sure he's a nice bloke with the best intent and could continue to play a major role in the party but, Intbel, - are we STRONGLY led? and to get back to the point, why no effective press releases?

It has more to do with common sense that with loyalty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

I am nervous about pronouncing on party policy and making a stink locally, just in case the manifesto says something completely different.

No need to mention party policy until you are certain of what it is. Just draw to folks attention how EU regulations will have a negative impact on folks' lives. Pick one regulation, apply it locally and write to your local paper. "Hope will the folks of Nuneaton cope with this" or "Is our Council prepared for this?" or similar.
Pick on a single regulation and bring it to folks' attention. With a bit of luck the paper will run a full article on it.
Don't even have to mention UKIP. Make it a personal issue.
Just make sure the UKIP logo is prominent when the photographer does his thing.

Trust me - it works.

We need to bring to folks' attention, not just the benefits of the UKIP but also the consequencs of EU integration.

We need to get folks concerned.

When they are concerned enough - they will vote for whoever can relieve them of their concerns.

Why sit around waiting to be led?
Y'all know where you want to go - are you people or sheeple?

doc_cruel · 07-12-2004, 02:40 PM

.... and just hope no one asks 'if we vote for you what would be your position on crime, defence, health, schools, etc.

If we are to stay a 1 party issue and focus on leaving Europe then that's fine and would ensure there's no complications about our message.... but then we still need a manifesto!

Intbel... what would you do if Kilroy were to release one and Knapman didnt? would you listen to Kilroy or to silence?

C_steam · 07-12-2004, 08:50 PM

Intbel, I raised this issue as a genuine concern of mine (I've moaned about it often enough) AND as an example of how we are led. I note you did not choose to answer my questions

Quote:

Intbel, - are we STRONGLY led? and to get back to the point, why no effective press releases?

Also - I have rx'd reply number one to my question. From the webmaster:-

Quote:

I am copying your comments to the Press Office. Please note that the website is not controlled by the Press Office. They add their news releases to the site themselves but have no other input. Equally, I have no influence over their output. I am sure they will take your comments on board.

Which is fair enough so far, I think.

gimlet · 07-12-2004, 09:04 PM

I've been told the 2001 manifesto holds good, and in fairness it is quite broad brush. The other parties have not released exact details yet. I do share concerns on no press releases on policy from HO and I would expect on the UKIP site comments on current issues - easy to do.

Intbel · 07-12-2004, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doc_cruel

.... and just hope no one asks 'if we vote for you what would be your position on crime, defence, health, schools, etc.

I answer those questions every day, no problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by doc_cruel

If we are to stay a 1 party issue and focus on leaving Europe then that's fine and would ensure there's no complications about our message.... but then we still need a manifesto!

Patience ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by doc_cruel

Intbel... what would you do if Kilroy were to release one and Knapman didnt? would you listen to Kilroy or to silence?

RKS is not authorised to release a manifesto on behalf of the UKIP so the question will not arise.

Next ... ?

C_steam · 08-12-2004, 08:25 PM

The assumption that there are few press releases may be wrong. I've had a nice e-mail from the press office, as follows :

Quote:

The expansion of the party in the last year or so has meant that press and broadcasters are much more interested in us than ever and this has put huge strain on us - both of us - in the press office. We do put out many more press releases than are ever on the website and when we have time we pick out particular ones which we think may interest general members who have a computer, rather than just journalists.
I confess that we had not undertaken an analysis of what type of things were being posted by us on the website and I am grateful to you for taking the time to analyse the content and to tell us about it.

In you opinion ought we to put more or fewer press releases on the website? And what sort of things do you think that members want to know about?

I do accept your criticisms, not least because journalists with whom we seldom deal probably go to the website first

Very fair I think, and very open. This exchange so far has been a pleasant experience.

My view is that all press releases should be listed, otherwise we won't know whats going on, and also for the reasons in the final para.

Your feelings? - I suspect a few of you may have issue with the last para! ("probably"!)

mkpdavies · 09-12-2004, 07:26 AM

I agree all press releases please. We need as much information as possible!

06-12-2004, 10:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
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06-12-2004, 10:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,697	Of course Intbel is correct, but letters to press from the pblic (no matter if Jo or Joe) do not have the impact that an official party spokeman may have. Secondly, without a manifesto to guide us we are on fairly shaky ground once we go off the main 'anti-eu' topic - and what we don't want to do is give the impression we are a one issue party. I compliment you on your loyalty to our current leadership - we should be behind them. I have no issues with Knapman, I'm sure he's a nice bloke with the best intent and could continue to play a major role in the party but, Intbel, - are we STRONGLY led? and to get back to the point, why no effective press releases?

06-12-2004, 11:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,123 Party: None	They don't call him Matt the Hatchet for nothing! (or at all in fact). Like C_steam, I am extremely concerned about the lack of public announcements, press conferences, press releases, photo opportunities, policy pledges, interviews, TV appearances and so on. I would expect a party seeking to feature well in the general election to be appearing in the papers and on telly at least once per day. The Tories are going hell for leather at the moment. Although, to be fair, it isn't doing them a great deal of good. But at least they are being taken seriously to some extent. Perhaps we have a lot of material being stored up for an explosion during the last three months leading up to the election? We can only hope that our strategists have a cunning plan. :shock: In the mean time, I am thinking that we need to be doing our bit locally. The difficulty is going to be getting INTO phpbb_the local papers, especially if they don't want to be seen as overly political. I am nervous about pronouncing on party policy and making a stink locally, just in case the manifesto says something completely different.

07-12-2004, 02:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
doc_cruel Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 213	.... and just hope no one asks 'if we vote for you what would be your position on crime, defence, health, schools, etc. If we are to stay a 1 party issue and focus on leaving Europe then that's fine and would ensure there's no complications about our message.... but then we still need a manifesto! Intbel... what would you do if Kilroy were to release one and Knapman didnt? would you listen to Kilroy or to silence?

07-12-2004, 09:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 831	I've been told the 2001 manifesto holds good, and in fairness it is quite broad brush. The other parties have not released exact details yet. I do share concerns on no press releases on policy from HO and I would expect on the UKIP site comments on current issues - easy to do.