E mail from UKIP London to Branch Chairmen.

Anthony Butcher · 02-12-2004, 05:47 PM

I have to say that I don't see a problem with her tone particularly. Mr Moss is clearly making a complaint to her, and questioning her competence as chairman. I think that his tone was fairly rude, and it is therefore entirely understandable if she isn't as cordial as he might wish.

Ms Holdsworth has to maintain the peace, and I can certainly see that she might be defensive if people are circulating unfounded rumours. Given the atmosphere in the party, I think that we all need to be a little more patient with each other.

Email isn't great for conveying meaning at the best of times, so, as on this forum, we need to give people the benefit of the doubt.

As for the issues themselves, I can see both sides, and I don't think that we need to make judgements at this time.

Nigel Garage · 02-12-2004, 05:59 PM

These have also been sent -

Quote:

Petrina.

Why are you so aggressive with people?
The guy only asked a question, one that is on the minds of many of us activists. I know from recent meetings with you what the stategy is, but Daniel obviously didnt. Next time someone asks you a question, please try to be a little more polite and responsive.

Thank You

John

PS Do not send a reply to this email unless you wish to say something nice.

Quote:

Dear John B------,

I support what you say. Any of us should be able to ask a question and/or raise a concern and receive a polite, reasoned reply.

Best wishes.

I------

mkpdavies · 02-12-2004, 06:09 PM

I now understand fully why she spoke as she did. I would have probably been the same.

Intbel · 04-12-2004, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Nigel Garage,

Would it be out of order for me to ask what your real identity is now?

Nigel Garage is an anagram of Angela Greig.

I hope this helps.

cynic · 04-12-2004, 10:09 PM

If Petrina was being 'Rude' this guy needs to get a life. The thing that is contrary is by stirring things up he is helping the Tories which is his general accusation towards the 'Cabal'. Sorry Mr Garage, 'Park' your complaint in File 13. A Tory mole causing problems where there is none?

cynic · 04-12-2004, 10:15 PM

Nigel Garage is also an Anagram of Engage Girl and Ageing Large.
8)

Intbel · 04-12-2004, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cynic

Nigel Garage is also an Anagram of Engage Girl and Ageing Large.
8)

How about
Alien gagger?
Agile nagger?
Ginger algae?

Nah - I prefer the first one

doc_cruel · 05-12-2004, 01:42 AM

Ageing Large? Sounds like the manual for a best seller produced by Pfizer :wink: !

johnwest · 05-12-2004, 12:01 PM

I must say I am getting rather fed up with 'Nigel Garage' and his constant attacks on the leadership. Change the record please! Why don't you reveal your real name and have the courage of your convictions!
The fact remains that any leadership bid would take months, cost thousands and would leave us with only a few weeks to fight the election.
I was taking to Mr Titford yesterday about this and he confirmed it, as did David Lott. Did you know Jeffrey spent 48 hours trying to reach a compromise with Kilroy? Every offer made was refused. Kilroy wants the top job and nothing else. He will not even stay in same hotel as the other UKIP MEPs. Is this the man you want as leader? Do you think a new leader could make a diffrence in such a short time? Do you want thousands spent on the general election or a leadership bid? Do you want a leadership bid to overshadow the election campaign? Do you want the media to portray us as just a party infighting and not worth a vote? I can only question the motives of those pushing this.
Roger, Nigel and Jeffrey have done a hell of a lot for UKIP over the last few years. Show them some respect, please.

kernow · 05-12-2004, 12:20 PM

Well put JohnWest, I totally agree.

02-12-2004, 06:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,846 Party: Libertarian Party	I now understand fully why she spoke as she did. I would have probably been the same. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

04-12-2004, 10:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
cynic Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 127	E-mails If Petrina was being 'Rude' this guy needs to get a life. The thing that is contrary is by stirring things up he is helping the Tories which is his general accusation towards the 'Cabal'. Sorry Mr Garage, 'Park' your complaint in File 13. A Tory mole causing problems where there is none?

04-12-2004, 10:15 PM	#26 (permalink)
cynic Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 127	Anagram Nigel Garage is also an Anagram of Engage Girl and Ageing Large. 8)

05-12-2004, 12:20 PM	#30 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	Leadership Well put JohnWest, I totally agree.

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02-12-2004, 05:47 PM	#21 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,152 Party: None	I have to say that I don't see a problem with her tone particularly. Mr Moss is clearly making a complaint to her, and questioning her competence as chairman. I think that his tone was fairly rude, and it is therefore entirely understandable if she isn't as cordial as he might wish. Ms Holdsworth has to maintain the peace, and I can certainly see that she might be defensive if people are circulating unfounded rumours. Given the atmosphere in the party, I think that we all need to be a little more patient with each other. Email isn't great for conveying meaning at the best of times, so, as on this forum, we need to give people the benefit of the doubt. As for the issues themselves, I can see both sides, and I don't think that we need to make judgements at this time.

05-12-2004, 01:42 AM	#28 (permalink)
doc_cruel Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 213	Ageing Large? Sounds like the manual for a best seller produced by Pfizer :wink: !

05-12-2004, 12:01 PM	#29 (permalink)
johnwest Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Suffolk Posts: 827 Party: UKIP	I must say I am getting rather fed up with 'Nigel Garage' and his constant attacks on the leadership. Change the record please! Why don't you reveal your real name and have the courage of your convictions! The fact remains that any leadership bid would take months, cost thousands and would leave us with only a few weeks to fight the election. I was taking to Mr Titford yesterday about this and he confirmed it, as did David Lott. Did you know Jeffrey spent 48 hours trying to reach a compromise with Kilroy? Every offer made was refused. Kilroy wants the top job and nothing else. He will not even stay in same hotel as the other UKIP MEPs. Is this the man you want as leader? Do you think a new leader could make a diffrence in such a short time? Do you want thousands spent on the general election or a leadership bid? Do you want a leadership bid to overshadow the election campaign? Do you want the media to portray us as just a party infighting and not worth a vote? I can only question the motives of those pushing this. Roger, Nigel and Jeffrey have done a hell of a lot for UKIP over the last few years. Show them some respect, please.