E mail from UKIP London to Branch Chairmen.

Intbel · 02-12-2004, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I remember only too well how this kind of person was treated when traitor, John Major was in power.

Ah ... he of the Y-fronts.

John Major is a member of the Carlyle Group, is he not?

That says it all for for him as far as I am concerned.

Intbel · 02-12-2004, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Welcome to the forum Intbel.

Thank you.

I still stand by my vote for the reasons I gave. However, that the vote went the other way - I am still happy with that. After all, one goes INTO phpbb_an election with the intention of winning as many seats as possible, otherwise why even bother?

That said, even one MP, asking the right question at the right moment during Primeminister' Questions can create one helluva impact.

One advantage we have over the other parties - we do not risk losing any seats ...

Karen · 02-12-2004, 11:13 AM

It is easy for the Tories to sow discord by suggesting we would do a deal with them. It costs them nothing and causes anxiety and suspicion. Several of their MPs are thinking of coming to us and this is their way of getting us back.

Auctor Ignotus · 02-12-2004, 02:16 PM

mkpdavies wrote

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John Redwood is supposed to be their main man for being against the EU, yet he voted yes for the Maastricht treaty.

Yes well so did Roger Knapman

Tom Wilde · 02-12-2004, 03:50 PM

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Yes well so did Roger Knapman

Oh really? Knapman resigned from his job as PPS to the Armed Forces Minister Archie Hamilton in order to oppose the Maastricht Treaty.

The Wikipedia entry on the Maastricht Rebels lists Knapman as having been a Maastricht Rebel.

I'm unable to find (even on the Hansard website) a voting list for the House of Commons divisions on the Maastricht Treaty. What reference are you using, if any?

Tom Wilde · 02-12-2004, 04:05 PM

Auctor, you started this thread by quoting an "Email from UKIP London to UKIP Branch Chairmen". According to you, it began:

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Dear Fellow Branch Chairman

PLEASE STOP THE MOVE TO DO SECRET DEALS WITH THE TORIES

Apologies for yet another UKIP email, but there's something I'm very concerned about. I'm a branch chairman and I work at the London Assembly for the UKIP Group.

So the author of the email containing this rumour about deals with the Tories is apparently a London branch chairman who works for the London Assembly UKIP Group. Apparently a figure happy to be identified, and yet strangely although you quote the entire email you don't give the name of the author. Why is that, Auctor? Are you the author, Auctor?

Nigel Garage · 02-12-2004, 04:26 PM

I've been receiving this correspondence too. I can't believe how rude the party chairman is being. Here's the rest of them -

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Petrina,

Many thanks for your reply. Of course if you assure me there have been no secret deals, I accept that. Very glad to hear it!

I'm afraid I still have some serious concerns, though. When we voted in the last NEC elections, we were told that we were voting for the party's highest managing body, and that all party undertakings had to be approved first by the NEC. Now you say that information is being witheld from the NEC by the leadership.

Can you clear up a very straightforward question - how can the NEC be responsible for approving party undertakings if they don't know what they are?

Regards

To which she replies -

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I am delighted that you accept that there are no secret deals, perhaps in future you will learn not to scare monger in this fashion.
As to your last question , as I said in a previous email ,those who objected to the information being
kept under wraps were in a minority in the NEC.If it were ever the majority who so objected then David Lott`s Campaign team would have to discuss the matter with the NEC .For the moment the majority appear content to leave it to David Lott.
An outline of possible tactics has already been given to the NEC by Michael Harvey.
We are probably about 5 months away from the General Election maybe less.A lot can happen in that space of time ,plans have to be kept flexible ,and kept quiet.
We are only at the planning stage ,there are no undertakings for the NEC to approve as yet.

yours sincerely,

Petrina Holdsworth

Then he replies, very reasonably -

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Petrina,

Thanks for your reply, which unfortunately fails to answer my question. Obviously the NEC has to approve of the Campaign Team's plans before they can be put INTO phpbb_action. So again my question is - How can the NEC approve of the Campaign Team's plans if they don't know what they are?

You claim that the party leadership are entitled to withold information from the NEC because only a minority have objected. As Party Chairman you should know that the leadership must provide any information requested by any member of the NEC. It doesn't matter if it's one member or all fifteen. Why was the information refused?

You said "an outline of possible tactics has already been given to the NEC by Michael Harvey". I work with Michael Harvey at the London Assembly, and he doesn't know what you're referring to. Do you mean John Harvey?

Regards

Then this outburst -

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thank you for your continued concern on behalf of the NEC. I have no doubt that they can look after themselves, if there are any questions re this matter on Monday then I am sure we can deal with that without being lectured by you on what we can and cannot do.
I have a question to ask of you .Have you circulated the fact that you have accepted the position that there have been no secret deals?This is after all what this exchange of emails is primarily about or are you happy to leave people with the impression from you that urgent action is still callled for to stop these imaginary deals being hatched by us with our phantom Tory friends?

yours sincerely,

Petrina Holdsworth

This is the last one I got -

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Petrina,

As I said in a previous email, I accept your assurances that there have been no secret deals. All our correspondence has been sent to the people my original email was copied to.

I have very serious concerns about information being unlawfully witheld from the NEC, I thought the Party Chairman would be prepared to answer my questions. As you chair NEC meetings I assumed you could clarify the rules on witholding information. I'm deeply disappointed that you have failed to answer my questions, and by your very insulting tone throughout. I now realise there's no point continuing this correspondence.

I said in an earlier email I wasn't part of any campaign for a leadership election. I am now.

The guy's name is Daniel Moss.

mkpdavies · 02-12-2004, 05:04 PM

Nigel Garage,

Would it be out of order for me to ask what your real identity is now? It helps me decide what information I can trust and what I have to file in the bin. If you don't want to, then that is fine. PM me if you don't want the world to know.

Petrina does seem to be sharp in her email, but there is one part of it that makes me wonder if there is more to it here than meets the eye :

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As to your last question , as I said in a previous email

I wonder what previous email conversations have gone on. For example, if Petrina had been hounded with outrageous allegations and nasty email herself, this may explain the tone of this email.

I love the internet, but there are some real oppotunites for trouble makers to stir up trouble that isn't there. Not that I am suggesting that is the case here, just it is a possability.

Nigel Garage · 02-12-2004, 05:10 PM

The previous email referred to the one before the first one I posted.
I'll post it if you like!

mkpdavies · 02-12-2004, 05:30 PM

PM me it, with your name!

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02-12-2004, 11:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
Karen Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maldon Posts: 302	It is easy for the Tories to sow discord by suggesting we would do a deal with them. It costs them nothing and causes anxiety and suspicion. Several of their MPs are thinking of coming to us and this is their way of getting us back.

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Nigel Garage Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ashford Posts: 557	The previous email referred to the one before the first one I posted. I'll post it if you like!