The Bush effect

C_steam · 04-11-2004, 12:48 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3981307.stm

See! even Jack Straw agrees with me!

Oh. On second thoughts where do you want me to send the wagon wheel?

mkpdavies · 04-11-2004, 01:04 PM

I am putting this comment from Straw in my file for "things that come back to bite you in the bum".

I find it interesting that our Foriegn Secretary feels the need to come out with a coment like this already. Probably a little warning shot to the states, that there is no way Britain could help out with this operation.

Quote:

Pointing to talks with Tehran, Mr Straw said: "I don't see any circumstances in which military action would be justified against Iran, full stop."

What even if the satelites show they have WMD, ready for deployment in 45 minutes.

Sorry, but I am an ultra-sceptic now. I remember Colon Powell telling us all that Iraq was not a threat, that it had been contained and there was no need to attack it. 9/11 later and everything changed.

I hate to say it, but the fact that more terrorist have been created in this world, and the anger felt by some quarters means we probably will see another terrorist atrocity in the next couple of years. That may be the signal for Irans turn.

I still hope I will be a wagon wheel down in two years!

mkpdavies · 04-11-2004, 04:56 PM

Looks like Norway have the same kind of leadership as us.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=32779

Norway says no and no again so whats the answer. Ask them again, this time trying to frighten them that the evil USA will be a threat if they do not.

Quote:

"This debate (about Norway joining the EU) could be introduced if the US continues to pursue a policy in which little importance is given to its alliance with Europe," he told Norwegian public television station NRK.

The fact Norway is doing better than ever outside the EU, is under zero threat from terrorism and enjoys a fantastic standard of living seems to be of little importance. Power corrupts, and that is a fact that no-one can deny!

Anthony Butcher · 04-11-2004, 05:11 PM

I am not sure that it is unreasonable to have a referendum on such an important issue every ten years. I wish that we had one about EU membership every ten years. I bet that we wouldn't be in it now.

Surely you aren't suggesting that the EU collaborators would only call for referenda in order to push their country INTO phpbb_the EU and not once they are in?

Even though there wil be a referendum on the EU Constitution, perhaps UKIP ought to really push the next general election as a genuine opportunity for the public to vote on EU membership. The emphasis is important, and will define how people see us in the election. If we are just another party that happens to want out of the EU, I don't think that we will do so well. If we create an "us or any of the others" choice for the electorate, then we could do well.

We need to define the terms of the election, rather than letting the others get away with arguments about crime and health and so on. Bush kept the presidential election about foreign policy and security, which is why he won the election. We need to keep the discussion on the EU.

mkpdavies · 04-11-2004, 05:17 PM

Spot on. As the EU effects all other subject anway, we should start every answer to questions on health, schools, jobs etc, with if we were not in the EU, or because we are in the EU. Show the people how the EU already has way too much control over our affairs!

Cue Nigel Farage: After an amicable divorce, we would negotiate a free trade agreement, which is what we thought we signed upto in the first place!

mkpdavies · 23-11-2004, 11:00 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=276956

Csteam, I'd get down Tescos and buy a pack of wagon wheels if I were you!

Quote:

France, Britain and Germany, who spearheaded an EU offer of incentives if Iran suspended its uranium enrichment program, circulated a draft resolution that diplomats at the United Nations said was unacceptable to both Washington and Tehran.

Washington sees it as too weak and wants to include an "automatic trigger" which makes it clear that resuming any activities related to enrichment — a process of purifying uranium to fuel power plants or make weapons — would spark a referral to the U.N. Security Council and possibly sanctions.

Here we go again! Only this time it looks like the UK might be taking the route of not bombing the hell out of them. Mind Blairs bloodlust might yet still get the better of him!

mkpdavies · 20-12-2004, 11:28 AM

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=594476

Never underestimate the bloodlust of Blair.

Quote:

The British government, while publicly supporting the efforts of Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the UN's nuclear watchdog, to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons, is secretly backing US plans to remove him.

Quote:

Dr ElBaradei has angered Britain and the US by contradicting their claims that Iraq was seeking to reconstitute its nuclear programme. The Foreign Office refused to comment, but behind the scenes it is justifying its decision to back the Americans on a technicality known as the "Geneva rule". This says senior UN officials should serve no more than two terms, which would bring Dr ElBaradei's tenure to an end next summer.

Have you got my Wagon Wheels yet C?

C_steam · 20-12-2004, 12:21 PM

On my way out now. Original OK?

mkpdavies · 20-12-2004, 12:23 PM

Yep thats fine!

jbalcock · 20-12-2004, 05:58 PM

I hate to keep coming back to this - but a strong Commonwealth can make Britain independent of both the USA and the EU - we can then enjoy both being an ally of the USA and a trading partner of Europe. After we come out of Europe, we must strengthen the Commonwealth to the way it used to be.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Spot on. As the EU effects all other subject anway, we should start every answer to questions on health, schools, jobs etc, with if we were not in the EU, or because we are in the EU. Show the people how the EU already has way too much control over our affairs! Cue Nigel Farage: After an amicable divorce, we would negotiate a free trade agreement, which is what we thought we signed upto in the first place! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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04-11-2004, 12:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,500	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3981307.stm See! even Jack Straw agrees with me! Oh. On second thoughts where do you want me to send the wagon wheel?

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Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,818 Party: None	I am not sure that it is unreasonable to have a referendum on such an important issue every ten years. I wish that we had one about EU membership every ten years. I bet that we wouldn't be in it now. Surely you aren't suggesting that the EU collaborators would only call for referenda in order to push their country INTO phpbb_the EU and not once they are in? Even though there wil be a referendum on the EU Constitution, perhaps UKIP ought to really push the next general election as a genuine opportunity for the public to vote on EU membership. The emphasis is important, and will define how people see us in the election. If we are just another party that happens to want out of the EU, I don't think that we will do so well. If we create an "us or any of the others" choice for the electorate, then we could do well. We need to define the terms of the election, rather than letting the others get away with arguments about crime and health and so on. Bush kept the presidential election about foreign policy and security, which is why he won the election. We need to keep the discussion on the EU.

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C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,500	On my way out now. Original OK?

20-12-2004, 05:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
jbalcock Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11	I hate to keep coming back to this - but a strong Commonwealth can make Britain independent of both the USA and the EU - we can then enjoy both being an ally of the USA and a trading partner of Europe. After we come out of Europe, we must strengthen the Commonwealth to the way it used to be.