doc_cruel

ummm.... but is there really a British way of life? I mean I went from Kent to Yorkshire and I felt totally alien!

- I'm not advocating a brake up of the UK (though I'm not against having independant states either) but then British isn't a race... England is Anglo- saxon, Wales & Scotland are Celtic
- Britain was formed by couple of signitures much in the same way the EU was and if the people of Wales, Scotland or England want to find their own path then it's understandable.

mkpdavies

Being a British mongrel, with English, Welsh and Scots blood in me, I have this philosophy.

Britain is like a family household. We have grown up together, like brothers and sisters over time, in the main because we had to, being on the same Islands.

We squabble over things, like any other siblings. We want to beat each other more than anything when it comes to sport. When it comes to wars etc though, we don't even question whose side we sould be on, we are one! Pesonaly I look at England as being the big brother, as it has more people, and thus makes the most money. That means England helps out the other countries when it can, because it can!

Europe is like our next door neighbours. We want to be their friends, go round for visits, and help each other out when we want to. The same bond is not there though, infact there are occasions when we have to go our seperate ways, even if we have hopefuly got past the blowing each other to bits part.

Simple way of looking at things, yes, but I really believe this is the way things are. I don't want to join a communion with my neighbors, and I want us to stay in charge of our house. Is this really too much to ask?

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Johnny Hates Jazz

Well I guess that 'England' could have been 'The Elder Brother'.

One of the siblings sometime ago sufferred a terrible trauma and ended up with a Split personallity - and needs lots and lots of councilling. (thats Ireland)

The other sibling grew up and then started to boss 'The Elder Brother' about, but still took his pocket money ! (Thats Scotland)

The other sibling grow up and became 'wierd' - started wanting to speak a different language, and burnt Elder Brother's Tent that he used for Holidays !

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So they all decided to live in the same House, but divide it INTO phpbb_Flats

Elder Brother got most the house

Scot got the loft
Welshy got the cellar

And Mick/Micky got the shed and the outside toilet (Mick/Micky then argued for months !)

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Sounds to me live a Federal UK !

tyke

That's exactly my point. If you live in England - IT IS coming from your wallet already. But you only get it if you live in Scotland. I agree - not from my wallet, not from the wallet of my children. You want it, you pay for it yourself. So easy to spend someone elses money and the tax payer in England has no choice but to cough up whenever they want more Kennedy wants free eye tests available to all in Scotland. So be prepared to dip INTO phpbb_your wallet even more for the benefit of all those north of the border.
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I'm quite surprised that some people do not realise that Britain is not the same today as it was just a few years ago. Quite shocking is the fact that, seemingly, people living in England are happy to be given the short end of the stick every time and even bend over for more of the same.

I could list all the disadvantages that England is suffering under the modern poltical model of Britain, but that would take up loads of space. For the unblinkered, visit Campaign for an English Parliament.

Its time England was given a fair deal and if Wales and Scotland want to go their own way, then bon voyage. But pay for it yourselves.

If anyone is against England having its own Parliament, then toddle off to Scotland and demand the closure of theirs and our money back. Thought not.

Regional assemblies are not the equivalent of a Parliament. They have no power and will never be able to have the same power as a Parliament.

This is the UKIP forum, so you should understand this. The assemblies are an EU and NL design to break up England INTO phpbb_smaller areas to be governed from Brussels. The country of England is not a recognised poltiical entity in Europe, as is Wales and Scotland. England is only a series of regions. There are already political representatives in Europe for each region, but not for England as a country. England will cease to exist altogether under the EU and NL plans.

Try looking for England in such government sponsored organisations such as Tourism, Nursing, or even the equivalent of Keep Scotland Tidy. Only England does not a union for students. Scotland voted for no top up fees for the Scottish, but their MPs imposed them onto the English and Welsh. The Welsh Assembly have delayed them, so their students are not paying it. Ours are. The Welsh Students Union is campaigning to abolish these fees, but the students union has no such equivalent in England. So English students have to support the Welsh ones in the hopes that if they get it abolished in Wales, then perhaps the British government MIGHT not impose them on the English. Pathetic.

There are many, many differences in what is provided for other countries and what the English are not allowed. The latest - Wales will have free prescriptions by 2007. The Welsh Assembly did this for the people of Wales. Can a regional assembly in Yorkshire do the same? Can it heck. This must be what was referred to previously as England being the Big Brother and can afford to pay for better facilities for other countries. Some might call it leeching.

Try saying you are English on government forms. Not there? Here's why,

"There is no such nationality as English," John Prescott
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johnwest

Simple answer. If the vote concerns England and England alone just exclude all the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish MPs from the motion and votes. There is no need for a new English parliament. Where would it be sited? Who would pay for it? Do we really need more politicians and civil servants? Besides the EU would really love the UK to fall apart. That would make us a lot more easy to swallow!

Johnny Hates Jazz

John - your point has already been answered

Have a read around the board.

tyke

John, the EU and NL have already split the country INTO phpbb_regions for the EU to swallow. Its happened. Scotland has a single Parliament and so is recognised as a single country in Europe, as is Wales, with its' single Assembly (which is on its way to becoming a Welsh Parliament). Only England remains as a non political entity within Europe.

The only way to keep England as a country is for it to be united as single country under a recognised English Parliament. UKIP will know all about the regional assemblies and the full consequences of them. I am sure they support the break of the assemblies and for every action there has to be a legally recognised remedy. The only legal remedy is an English Parliament.

I am not making this up. As part of a business degree, I studied both Economics and European Law. There is not enough time or room here to tell you everything that is happening without your knowledge, but the only way to save England from both Europe and the whole mess of devolution, caused by this government, is for England to have a single Parliament for England only policies.

Simply telling the 72 Scottish MPs to stop north of the border when voting on English matters, is not enough. It has to be a recognised English Parliament, not simply a bunch of councillors sitting under a British Parliament. This does not give England the recognition of being an individual country, but would only be recognised as a region in Europe and in the British Parliament, as it now is.

Put simply - keeping the country of England in its present political state, that is, a bunch of regions, is playing INTO phpbb_the hands of New Labour and of Brussels. Anyone who adheres to the present position of this country is actually agreeing to the European model of England. England is the most anti European country in the UK. It is important to break it up and make it weaker politically. It is part of this governments plan to play up to the county differences in order to achieve this. You only have to read through some of the replies on this forum, to see this has been part way successful.

Any campaign for full integration INTO phpbb_Europe will be focused on regions, rather than the whole country. Each region will be told what the government thinks is likely to get a yes vote in that area. This is easier than trying to convince the whole country. This will happen. Already the government campaign to Wales and Scotland. They will not say England, only Britian or British. They campaign to regions, not the country. It is all part of diminishing any patriotism in this country. Its a drip, drip effect, so regions and county divisions are more acceptable to us. Look at their website if you doubt me. Look for the word England.

If you think England is too big, consider this - it fits snugly INTO phpbb_New York State, with room to spare. If the government cannot cope with a small country like England, how can the expect to govern the UK?

UKIP will come to realise that the weaker version of England, is not to their advantage. And maybe the people of England will wake up to what is going on, hopefully not too late.