English Parliament

tyke · 05-12-2004, 06:40 PM

An English Parliament is not adding politicians - it is taking away foreign politicians who would then not be able to force unpopular legislation upon the the English people, which they reject for their own countries - only the English are paying top up fees, which apparently appears to be acceptable among some thinking quarters.

England DOES NOT have a devolved government - councils are not the same thing at all. Please do some research so that you may educate yourself. What use are they when the Scottish MPs swarm INTO phpbb_English politics and vote for policies they do not accept in Scotland?

Times have changed and England is falling behind in the health, education and pensioner stakes. Ignorance of the issues is no defence when you are sat in front of the largest library in the world.

Whatever anyone thinks, changes are coming very quickly and Britain is not the same place as just a year ago.

PS If Tony Blair is not Scottish, then neither is Sean Connery, who has lived abroad for years and even applied for and got a foreign passport. Spot the absurdity of the statement?

mkpdavies · 05-12-2004, 06:57 PM

I think you missed

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If they were restored to full function, there would be no need for an English parliament.

In Julians argument.

Telling people to go and educate themselves and suggesting they are ignorant because they don't agree with your viewpoint, is hardly going to win them over either.

tyke · 05-12-2004, 07:45 PM

I didn't miss that.

The councils do not have the power to give the residents of Engalnd a bus pass to travel the country, abolish top up fees, give pensioners free residential care or home help and the list goes on.

Councils are now and only ever will be concerned with local issues, such as planning and christmas lighting

As I said, we are all sat in front of the largest library in the world and it takes no effort whatsoever to see how England's residents are being relegated to second class citzens in the new Britian of 2004/5

My question is still to UKIP = for or against equality for England by allowing it a Parliament in line with Scotland? It certainy is important to a lot of people and becoming a fast growing issue in this country and a yes or no answer is hardly like me asking for state secrets.

Julian Morrison · 05-12-2004, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tyke

I didn't miss that.

The councils do not have the power to give the residents of Engalnd a bus pass to travel the country, abolish top up fees, give pensioners free residential care or home help and the list goes on.

Councils are now and only ever will be concerned with local issues, such as planning and christmas lighting

Firstly, a lot of that **** is stuff a government simply shouldn't be doing. Bus passes are for bus companies to sell. Top up fees should be abolished - by privatizing universities and letting them charge what the hell they please. You want to fund pensioners getting residential care? Set up a charity. Don't dip your hand INTO phpbb_my wallet!

Second, as I also mentioned above, a lot of the Westminster stuff could quite plausibly be devolved and pushed down to county-council level in the UK (and let Scotland and Wales do their own thing).

Third, an English parliament would be pretty much as remote as the Westminster one. England is large, and very nearly as politically and economically diverse internally as it is compared as a whole to Scotland or Wales. You can't expect an English parliament to be much more regionally sensitive than a British parliament.

Finally, there are better fixes to the "West Lothian question". Like eg: the simple fix of changing the constitution so Scottish and Welsh MPs may not participate in Westminster votes covering topics devolved regionally.

mkpdavies · 05-12-2004, 08:43 PM

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My question is still to UKIP = for or against equality for England

UKIPs answer is yes for equality for England.

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by allowing it a Parliament in line with Scotland?

We think a lot of work needs doing, certainly we would want to even out the imbalances created by succesive governments. I wouldn't want to speak for the party on exactly how this would be done, but I would like to see any MP's that come from a country with devolved parliaments, removed from Westminster.

The manifesto comes out soon, so watch this space.

tyke · 05-12-2004, 09:53 PM

Thank you for your answer. I will wait and see what is decided, as you suggest. Your time is appreciated, none the less. Lots of luck and an early merry christmas to you and yours from me and mine

Johnny Hates Jazz · 10-12-2004, 10:33 PM

Strangely enough

Anti-European + Pro-English - could just be the 'silver' bullet that kills two evils.

20% now in favour of an English Parliament - image how this would increase if the 'English' issue was actually properly debated.

The 'winning ticket' is

Anti-European/Pro-English - this will get the majority require in the House of Commons to achieve what we all want to do.

ED

Karen · 14-12-2004, 03:00 PM

The English Democrats do not get it. English Parliament - there are already several, South East England Regional Assembly &c, even though there have been no cosemtic referendums in most parts of England. So the EDs can give up and go back to Morris dancing and wassailing leaving UKIP to carry the flag

Johnny Hates Jazz · 14-12-2004, 06:51 PM

I guess you want a British National Football Team as well !

Regional Assemblies are exactly what they say - False regions of England - nothing to do with an English Parliament.

England last had a parliament in 1707 as did Scotland.

Scotland got it's back in 1997 - England is still wating.

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If people want to Morris Dance then that's fine (not my particular cup of team)

But in case you have not realised then we (England) compete as a Nation in Rugby, Soccer, Cricket, Athletics in the Commonwealth Games.

Don't kid yourself that we are all United as 'British' all the time.

Why did the Black Watch have a St Andrews Cross and not a Union Jack ?

Why does David Caultard F1 Racing Driver have a St Andrews Cross on his helmet and NOT a Union Jack - yet he says he represents Britain ?

Blair opened the Scottish Parliament saying 'Scotland is a Proud and Historic Nation' - well if that's the case then ENGLAND is an even prouder Nation'

You guys are obessed with maitaining the UNION to the disadvantage of England where 85% of the UK population live.

If you can get a vote for Scotland & Wales to abolish their respective Parliament and Assembly, and start referring to Scots and Welsh as Brits, then I too will once again become British.

Until then I'm English.

Karen · 15-12-2004, 10:25 AM

I do not know anything about sports apart from that they are beastly activities to help men burn off the testosterone which they would otherwise use in brawling outside night clubs or starting wars on Iraq. While it is right ro have pride in England (or Ulster &c) the things that the four nations of our country have in common are enough to make teh UK work as it has done since 1801. It is about the right size and fits the geography. So UKIP wants to keep the world's fourth largest economy together with the fewest non-productive bureacrats possible I dare say sportsmen have their local flag on their helmets but then pensioners have badges with 'Surrey' on their Austin Maestros.
What we have to do is to prevent the British way of life that all four nations (and Gibraltar, or the Falkland Islands) subscribe to from being eroded by the different Continental way of life: which is all right for them but not for us.

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05-12-2004, 06:40 PM	#21 (permalink)
tyke Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 240	An English Parliament is not adding politicians - it is taking away foreign politicians who would then not be able to force unpopular legislation upon the the English people, which they reject for their own countries - only the English are paying top up fees, which apparently appears to be acceptable among some thinking quarters. England DOES NOT have a devolved government - councils are not the same thing at all. Please do some research so that you may educate yourself. What use are they when the Scottish MPs swarm INTO phpbb_English politics and vote for policies they do not accept in Scotland? Times have changed and England is falling behind in the health, education and pensioner stakes. Ignorance of the issues is no defence when you are sat in front of the largest library in the world. Whatever anyone thinks, changes are coming very quickly and Britain is not the same place as just a year ago. PS If Tony Blair is not Scottish, then neither is Sean Connery, who has lived abroad for years and even applied for and got a foreign passport. Spot the absurdity of the statement?

05-12-2004, 07:45 PM	#23 (permalink)
tyke Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 240	I didn't miss that. The councils do not have the power to give the residents of Engalnd a bus pass to travel the country, abolish top up fees, give pensioners free residential care or home help and the list goes on. Councils are now and only ever will be concerned with local issues, such as planning and christmas lighting As I said, we are all sat in front of the largest library in the world and it takes no effort whatsoever to see how England's residents are being relegated to second class citzens in the new Britian of 2004/5 My question is still to UKIP = for or against equality for England by allowing it a Parliament in line with Scotland? It certainy is important to a lot of people and becoming a fast growing issue in this country and a yes or no answer is hardly like me asking for state secrets.

05-12-2004, 09:53 PM	#26 (permalink)
tyke Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 240	Thank you for your answer. I will wait and see what is decided, as you suggest. Your time is appreciated, none the less. Lots of luck and an early merry christmas to you and yours from me and mine

10-12-2004, 10:33 PM	#27 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,944	Strangely enough Anti-European + Pro-English - could just be the 'silver' bullet that kills two evils. 20% now in favour of an English Parliament - image how this would increase if the 'English' issue was actually properly debated. The 'winning ticket' is Anti-European/Pro-English - this will get the majority require in the House of Commons to achieve what we all want to do. ED

14-12-2004, 03:00 PM	#28 (permalink)
Karen Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maldon Posts: 302	The English Democrats do not get it. English Parliament - there are already several, South East England Regional Assembly &c, even though there have been no cosemtic referendums in most parts of England. So the EDs can give up and go back to Morris dancing and wassailing leaving UKIP to carry the flag

14-12-2004, 06:51 PM	#29 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,944	I guess you want a British National Football Team as well ! Regional Assemblies are exactly what they say - False regions of England - nothing to do with an English Parliament. England last had a parliament in 1707 as did Scotland. Scotland got it's back in 1997 - England is still wating. ============================================== If people want to Morris Dance then that's fine (not my particular cup of team) But in case you have not realised then we (England) compete as a Nation in Rugby, Soccer, Cricket, Athletics in the Commonwealth Games. Don't kid yourself that we are all United as 'British' all the time. Why did the Black Watch have a St Andrews Cross and not a Union Jack ? Why does David Caultard F1 Racing Driver have a St Andrews Cross on his helmet and NOT a Union Jack - yet he says he represents Britain ? Blair opened the Scottish Parliament saying 'Scotland is a Proud and Historic Nation' - well if that's the case then ENGLAND is an even prouder Nation' You guys are obessed with maitaining the UNION to the disadvantage of England where 85% of the UK population live. If you can get a vote for Scotland & Wales to abolish their respective Parliament and Assembly, and start referring to Scots and Welsh as Brits, then I too will once again become British. Until then I'm English.

15-12-2004, 10:25 AM	#30 (permalink)
Karen Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maldon Posts: 302	I do not know anything about sports apart from that they are beastly activities to help men burn off the testosterone which they would otherwise use in brawling outside night clubs or starting wars on Iraq. While it is right ro have pride in England (or Ulster &c) the things that the four nations of our country have in common are enough to make teh UK work as it has done since 1801. It is about the right size and fits the geography. So UKIP wants to keep the world's fourth largest economy together with the fewest non-productive bureacrats possible I dare say sportsmen have their local flag on their helmets but then pensioners have badges with 'Surrey' on their Austin Maestros. What we have to do is to prevent the British way of life that all four nations (and Gibraltar, or the Falkland Islands) subscribe to from being eroded by the different Continental way of life: which is all right for them but not for us.