NORTH EAST ASSEMBLY REFERENDUM

rjt · 22-10-2004, 08:44 AM

Whilst we are wasting time quarelling about the Leadership little attention seems to have been paid to this important issue which could be the start of the breakup of the UK INTO phpbb_regions very desirable from the EU'S point of view but a very dangerous prospect for the future governance of this country. This refrendum offers UKIP the chance to once again show that it is the voice of the people by campaining hard for a no vote. Come on RKS and others lets fight together on an issue that should unite us not waste our time on personality politics, leave that to the main parties.

Nigel Garage · 22-10-2004, 10:52 AM

There are two 'NO' campaigns in the North East - Neil Herron's, which has been going for 2 years, has a high media profile and a lot of support; and the 'official' one which is funded by the government, supported by the Tories, and has done absolutely nothing.

Guess which one Knapman and Farage decided UKIP should join?

22-10-2004, 12:35 PM

"Guess which one Knapman and Farage decided UKIP should join"

Well rjt! Which one do you think we should join - its even a more dangerous prospect to allow Knapman and Farage the 'puppet master' to say in office.

lion

mkpdavies · 22-10-2004, 04:28 PM

Prescott seems to be pretty much resigned to the fact they are going to lose on this one. They will just keep on asking until they get the result they want though.

I don't personally care which no camp we are in, as long as we are putting forward the facts so the people can see that no is the only sensible answer!

rjt · 23-10-2004, 01:34 PM

I could not agree more!

Dave · 25-10-2004, 08:24 AM

mkpdavies said:

I don't personally care which no camp we are in, as long as we are putting forward the facts so the people can see that no is the only sensible answer!

This shows a great deal of naiviety, within each region, town or village, there are are it's own politics, and the attitude shown in the above statement just cries out out Southerner, one of the metropolitans, it has been complete idiocy on the part of UKIP to have teamed up with the Tories in the North East, if Farage had asked(as he daren't visit the NE as he would be linched and hung from the nearest tree - HOORAH), he would have been told that, in the NE the Tories are the most hated people about.

I am lucky in that being a Londoner who has lived and worked in the NE for the past 15 years I can see exactly what UKIP chose to ignore, side with Neill Herron = Koudos, side with the Tories = loss of votes, thankfully this battle had more or less been won before the tory run YESNO campaign was put in place, (it is called YESNO as opposed to its official title of NESno, due to the tory spokesman on his first duty saying "we are against RA's but if more powers were given to them we would vote yes)

rjt · 25-10-2004, 08:35 AM

If it makes sense to co-operate with another political party on a particular issue than we should do so, this is sensible grown up politics which is what UKIP should be all about.

mkpdavies · 25-10-2004, 11:22 AM

I have to admit, I am not a northerner! I was brought up in the midlands, have lived in the south for the last 13 years, and have only visted the north on business about 5 times. So I guess the accusation that I know nothing of the area in question is fair enough.

I am fully aware however that the north is, in the main, a no go area for the Tories. I just can't believe the ordinary man on the street will care which partiucular NO camp you are in. When you have a question of YES or NO, we will be bundled in with all the parties saying NO anyway. I'm sure Labour will make great noises that we are aligning ourselves with the BNP who are in the NO camp.

If it was a vote in the south I would think exactly the same, but as the south is rapidly returning to being a no go zone for Labour, I guess the issue of which party we side with won't be a problem here.

rjt · 25-10-2004, 11:41 AM

Dead right, why split INTO phpbb_two no camps which will only confuse voters. I understand people will be unconftable about campaining with the Tories but as there is no diffrence between us on this substantive question it makes sense to work together, this does not undermine our core beliefs in anyway.

Nigel Garage · 26-10-2004, 10:42 AM

There's nothing necessarily wrong with joining a campaign with the Tories, but the 'NESNO' campaign is completely ineffective, invisible and going nowhere.

When Nigel Farage was asked why we didn't team up with the popular metric martyr Steve Thorburn, he said it was because Thorburn stood against us in the Euro elections!

And the Tories didn't, of course.

22-10-2004, 08:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,173	NORTH EAST ASSEMBLY REFERENDUM Whilst we are wasting time quarelling about the Leadership little attention seems to have been paid to this important issue which could be the start of the breakup of the UK INTO phpbb_regions very desirable from the EU'S point of view but a very dangerous prospect for the future governance of this country. This refrendum offers UKIP the chance to once again show that it is the voice of the people by campaining hard for a no vote. Come on RKS and others lets fight together on an issue that should unite us not waste our time on personality politics, leave that to the main parties.

22-10-2004, 04:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	Prescott seems to be pretty much resigned to the fact they are going to lose on this one. They will just keep on asking until they get the result they want though. I don't personally care which no camp we are in, as long as we are putting forward the facts so the people can see that no is the only sensible answer! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

25-10-2004, 11:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	I have to admit, I am not a northerner! I was brought up in the midlands, have lived in the south for the last 13 years, and have only visted the north on business about 5 times. So I guess the accusation that I know nothing of the area in question is fair enough. I am fully aware however that the north is, in the main, a no go area for the Tories. I just can't believe the ordinary man on the street will care which partiucular NO camp you are in. When you have a question of YES or NO, we will be bundled in with all the parties saying NO anyway. I'm sure Labour will make great noises that we are aligning ourselves with the BNP who are in the NO camp. If it was a vote in the south I would think exactly the same, but as the south is rapidly returning to being a no go zone for Labour, I guess the issue of which party we side with won't be a problem here. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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22-10-2004, 10:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nigel Garage Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ashford Posts: 557	There are two 'NO' campaigns in the North East - Neil Herron's, which has been going for 2 years, has a high media profile and a lot of support; and the 'official' one which is funded by the government, supported by the Tories, and has done absolutely nothing. Guess which one Knapman and Farage decided UKIP should join?

22-10-2004, 12:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	"Guess which one Knapman and Farage decided UKIP should join" Well rjt! Which one do you think we should join - its even a more dangerous prospect to allow Knapman and Farage the 'puppet master' to say in office. lion

23-10-2004, 01:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,173	I could not agree more!

25-10-2004, 08:24 AM	#6 (permalink)
Dave Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 229	mkpdavies said: I don't personally care which no camp we are in, as long as we are putting forward the facts so the people can see that no is the only sensible answer! This shows a great deal of naiviety, within each region, town or village, there are are it's own politics, and the attitude shown in the above statement just cries out out Southerner, one of the metropolitans, it has been complete idiocy on the part of UKIP to have teamed up with the Tories in the North East, if Farage had asked(as he daren't visit the NE as he would be linched and hung from the nearest tree - HOORAH), he would have been told that, in the NE the Tories are the most hated people about. I am lucky in that being a Londoner who has lived and worked in the NE for the past 15 years I can see exactly what UKIP chose to ignore, side with Neill Herron = Koudos, side with the Tories = loss of votes, thankfully this battle had more or less been won before the tory run YESNO campaign was put in place, (it is called YESNO as opposed to its official title of NESno, due to the tory spokesman on his first duty saying "we are against RA's but if more powers were given to them we would vote yes)

25-10-2004, 08:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,173	If it makes sense to co-operate with another political party on a particular issue than we should do so, this is sensible grown up politics which is what UKIP should be all about.

25-10-2004, 11:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,173	Dead right, why split INTO phpbb_two no camps which will only confuse voters. I understand people will be unconftable about campaining with the Tories but as there is no diffrence between us on this substantive question it makes sense to work together, this does not undermine our core beliefs in anyway.

26-10-2004, 10:42 AM	#10 (permalink)
Nigel Garage Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ashford Posts: 557	There's nothing necessarily wrong with joining a campaign with the Tories, but the 'NESNO' campaign is completely ineffective, invisible and going nowhere. When Nigel Farage was asked why we didn't team up with the popular metric martyr Steve Thorburn, he said it was because Thorburn stood against us in the Euro elections! And the Tories didn't, of course.