cynic

I rest my case.

C_steam

Mock now by all means. Shootings next. Then fishing.

barrymx5

C_steam, that kind of domino theory was all the rage in the 70s (eg Vietnam) but was shown to be an ad absurdum theory too far.
From my knowledge of LACS (and I have been a member longer than of UKIP) there is no appetite amongst the majority for banning fishing and probably not shooting either as long as there is some element of fairness. By this I mean hobbling birds, wiping out raptors etc to save game birds for the gun etc will either have to be self-regulated or risk formal regulation.
The British public have a strong sense of fair play and that in my view will out. Like it or not, fox and stag hunting (and even more so hare coursing) offended the fair play sensibilities of the British majority wherever they lived. So let the shooting fans learn from events and act accordingly. They have strong arguments if the birds are eaten, have some semblance of a chance, and other wildlife is not persecuted.

C_steam

We'll agree to differ. I agree any further movement may be some way down the road.

mkpdavies

I have lost you on this one barrymx5.

You say it is wrong and babaric for people to want to catch and kill a fox for fun.

You don' mind people who want to catch a fish for fun though.

Why are fish any less deserving than foxes then?

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barrymx5

I think you are having me on! Several reasons including:
- Foxes are more sentient than fish (which are of course cold blooded)
- Fish are either caught to eat (foxes are not in my part of the world!) or are usually put back.
Hope that helps your comprehension. :roll:

Julian Morrison

To blazes with it, foxes are just animals, they do not have rights overriding the landowner's right to hunt, shoot, fish, or what the hell he pleases on his own land! Cruelty, food or not, to put back or to keep, it's all beside the point. I could argue that hunting of foxes is as natural to us as hunting of rabbits is to them - but that's beside the point too. The point is property, whose? Not yours. So, hands off!

barrymx5

I think you know that foxhunting cannot be so easily confined - I know I used to spend much energy keeping hunters off my (posted NO Hunting) land in Sussex!
Furthermore as a tax payer I objected to MoD etc land being used for hunting, just as I did with National Trust, of which I am a member. Or my childrens' school grounds, which were very extensive.
But these are all historic arguments now. You will shortly no more be allowed to hunt foxes or stags with hounds on your own land than you are to molest children or torture kittens there. Nothing really new - there have been restrictions on what society allows you to do on your land for centuries.

mkpdavies

No, not really. I can't see how you can argue the case that hunting foxes for fun is wrong, but because fish are less intelligent, they deserve all the barbed hooks we can throw at them.

I don't hunt and don't like hunting, I have fished but stopped when I saw a fish get a hook in it's eye. It looked like it was suffering, not for me thanks.

If you want to argue a moral case for animals, I think you really have to be consistent. You can't say one creature has more or less rights than another!

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cynic

The National Trust is now an oxymoron having been taken over by New Labour Elements who have completely ignored the spirit in which land and houses were entrusted to them. Their 'stewardship' is completely lacking in continuing the wishes of many who were Fox Hunters and enjoyed all kinds of Country Sports. As a taxpayer I don't object, and indeed a lot of M.O.D. land is kindly let out to them from private landowners, hence the threat to withdraw this facility in the near future.
What is very striking is that where there were posters advertising the Countryside March, at these same sites were UKIP posters in the Euro Elections. This is part of our constituency whether you like it or not.
You must be one of those Toffs doc_cruel objects to!
This is emotional propaganda trying to tie an extreme to the subject you don't agree with because there is no logic left and you wish to shut down the argument. The same emotional play would be that Cars kill people so let’s ban all Cars. A lot of damage and Unintended consequence will be caused by this Law and I for one look forward to Labour being banned and this petty law repealed.