UKIP on Fox Hunting.

brian pearson · 02-08-2008, 07:06 PM

Says it all. To spend so much time and money on attacking and banning fox hunting says more about the Labour party and those elected as MP's than anything else.

No logic, only an hatred of tradition and perceived class.

kernow · 03-08-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

My personal view is that this had not alot to do with cruelty but more to do with an imagined class war (lets give the toffs a bloody nose) and funding for the labour party.

What has been achieved by the ban is lots of working class people, stable lads/girls, farriers, vets etc, to poorer lives (lower wages, loss of jobs), the fox has been condemmed to exstinction (hunts tend to take out old and infirm, and a few cubs during cubbing season), shooting and gassing will be less discriminate and therefore many more will be killed.

AB said

"and kills the fox by tearing it apart"

A fox is never ripped apart whilst alive, the first dog will break it's neck with a bite similar to way abig cat dispatches a zebra in the wild, so the fox is very very dead before the ripping starts, thus feels nothing and by this point being somewhat dead already, couldn't care less.

Charles II done a similar thing to Cromwell and sent his appendiges to the four corners of the kingdom as a sign to his subjects, was Cromwell bothered, being dead he had no idea what was happening, so it didn't hurt and didn't matter much to him.

Regards
Dave

Very well said! You like me have obviously hunted, Mr Butcher has obviously not! He wouldn't be making statements about foxes being ripped apart whilst alive if he had! I hope when my end comes it is as quick as a fox when killed by hounds!

Raymond Finch · 03-08-2008, 08:16 AM

To be honest.

I know nothing about fox hunting and care less. I am an urban chap, born and bred in a fairly big city and now live in a reasonable sized town.

However, I would say that it is none of my business what you country folk get up to as long as you were not hurting another person. Fox hunting seems to be a long standing tradition in the country and you ruralites (is that a word?) seem to believe that, as well as a social occasion, it controls what you see as vermin.

If it were up to me I would certainly vote for restoration of it.

Bob FM · 03-08-2008, 08:21 AM

I think to be put this into context, the hunting bill was given 400 hours of Parliamentary time time, in the Commons. The Reform Treaty/Referendum debate 90. Just about sums up New Labour.

Aardvark · 03-08-2008, 10:20 AM

David Cameron rides to hounds.

Watch for paragraph 99(3)(i)(c) of the next Tory manifesto!

Members of the Bicester and Whaddon Chase, Heythrop, Old Berks and Vale of White Horse are also members of West Oxon Conservatives and have the ear and support of a potentially future Prime Minister. I reckon the potential for changes in the hunt rules will be left to the last minute just before the manifesto comes out - perhaps a suggested free vote in a new Parliament. A massive Tory majority would, on a free vote, restore the freedom to hunt with dogs.

03-08-2008, 10:20 AM	#115 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,988	David Cameron rides to hounds. Watch for paragraph 99(3)(i)(c) of the next Tory manifesto! Members of the Bicester and Whaddon Chase, Heythrop, Old Berks and Vale of White Horse are also members of West Oxon Conservatives and have the ear and support of a potentially future Prime Minister. I reckon the potential for changes in the hunt rules will be left to the last minute just before the manifesto comes out - perhaps a suggested free vote in a new Parliament. A massive Tory majority would, on a free vote, restore the freedom to hunt with dogs. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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02-08-2008, 07:06 PM	#111 (permalink)
brian pearson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: nottinghanshire Posts: 760	Says it all. To spend so much time and money on attacking and banning fox hunting says more about the Labour party and those elected as MP's than anything else. No logic, only an hatred of tradition and perceived class.

03-08-2008, 08:16 AM	#113 (permalink)
Raymond Finch Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 515	To be honest. I know nothing about fox hunting and care less. I am an urban chap, born and bred in a fairly big city and now live in a reasonable sized town. However, I would say that it is none of my business what you country folk get up to as long as you were not hurting another person. Fox hunting seems to be a long standing tradition in the country and you ruralites (is that a word?) seem to believe that, as well as a social occasion, it controls what you see as vermin. If it were up to me I would certainly vote for restoration of it.

03-08-2008, 08:21 AM	#114 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,905	I think to be put this into context, the hunting bill was given 400 hours of Parliamentary time time, in the Commons. The Reform Treaty/Referendum debate 90. Just about sums up New Labour.