UKIP on Fox Hunting.

mkpdavies · 07-01-2005, 09:50 AM

So why did you speak about UKIP members as if they were something you are not? I recognise that not all members of UKIP will agree with every point that I believe, but I still address them as fellow members.

I am happy for all kinds of people to support UKIP, including you, so I don't wish anyone not be part of the party. However, if you attack UKIP as if it were not part of an organisation that you subscribe to, why should I believe that you are a member?

I am happy to be wrong, if it is just a case of you forgetting you were a member now!

Michael Hillier · 07-01-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

I know of two rabid anti-hunt MPs who are Jews, but I bet they tuck happily INTO phpbb_their 'Kosher' slaughtered meat.

Sorry but I missed this before. Please tell me what "JEWS" are to do with this topic. "Rabid" means extreme, fanatical, revolutionary, untamed, vicious and violent. What has a religion to do with this. If you are as you seem anti semitic or just hate all religions you should not be on this UKIP Forum as the whole point of UKIP is freedom. and do you understand what "Kosher" meat is. I am sorry to say this but you seem to be a very ignorant person who is biased

mkpdavies · 07-01-2005, 01:31 PM

To be fair to Kernow, I think he meant anti-hunt people are rabid, rather than Jews. I don't think his attack was aimed at them being Jewish, but that they were hypocrites for eating Kosher meat (which is deemed barbaric by some), while being anti-hunt for it being babric!

I'll leave it to Kernow to confirm that!

kernow · 07-01-2005, 07:03 PM

Thank you mkpdavies that is exactely what I meant. I have never disliked Jews, infact when I was in business I had many business assocates who were Jews. When I say "rabid", I mean as in a mad dog with Rabies! I was having a go about the Jewish MPs double standards. In my opinion anybody who knowingingly eats Kosher or Halal meat, or takes part in catching fish on a hook, or shoots live targets for sport, or owns a factory farm have no right to say people who hunt with hounds are cruel. I have never Knowingly eaten Religeous ' prepared' meat, or owned a factory farm, but I have shot and fished. So you see my knowledge is not 'lifted' out of the tabloids.

Michael Hillier · 09-01-2005, 11:51 AM

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kernow wrote:
I know of two rabid anti-hunt MPs who are Jews, but I bet they tuck happily INTO phpbb_their 'Kosher' slaughtered meat.

Sorry kernow, my mistake, I read your reply wrongly.

Bobby-Veritas's Boy · 09-01-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

Thank you mkpdavies that is exactely what I meant. I have never disliked Jews, infact when I was in business I had many business assocates who were Jews. When I say "rabid", I mean as in a mad dog with Rabies! I was having a go about the Jewish MPs double standards. In my opinion anybody who knowingingly eats Kosher or Halal meat, or takes part in catching fish on a hook, or shoots live targets for sport, or owns a factory farm have no right to say people who hunt with hounds are cruel. I have never Knowingly eaten Religeous ' prepared' meat, or owned a factory farm, but I have shot and fished. So you see my knowledge is not 'lifted' out of the tabloids.

Hunting comes in many forms depending on your personal thinking. Yes fishing is hunting, if you like. As a child I used to go fishing, but there is a difference to this and hunting with hounds. With hunting with hounds the outcome is nearly always going to be the same, a fox or stag will be chased untill it can run no more and then a pack of hounds will rip it to pieces. This is not a sport, the quarry has no choice and definately is not allowed the same chances as those following it. Hunting is nothing to do with ridding the countryside of vermin, it's a social thing, pure and simple and it's for people who have very little else to do, people who as children were probably bullied by the big kids and who now want to exact their revenge.
When it comes to fishing, the fish does have a choice, it can go for the food or not and even if it does it has a chance of winning. The majority of fishermen I have seen return the caught fish back INTO phpbb_the water and those who want to keep the fish for eating kill them very quickly and humanely. To compare fishing with hound hunting is a complete nonsense.

Nic · 09-01-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bobby's boy

To compare fishing with hound hunting is a complete nonsense.

But exceptionally sensible when considered alongside comparing fox hunters to child molesters!

mkpdavies · 09-01-2005, 12:37 PM

Does anyone know a good broken record player repairman? I have a record that only plays the first track over and over again!

Thanks

:twisted:

Bobby-Veritas's Boy · 09-01-2005, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Does anyone know a good broken record player repairman? I have a record that only plays the first track over and over again!

Thanks

:twisted:

Is that the record recorded by Ivor Biggon in 1978 you should give it a spin

timwlandon · 02-08-2008, 03:45 PM

I have stood next to hounds killing their prey within a few seconds, and next to a fisherman taking half an hour to exhaust a fish by pulling it to & fro by a hook through its lungs, a process they call "playing" the fish, which shows the sadistic spirit of the sport. Fishing doesn't even have hunting's merits of providing fresh air & exercise & social intercourse for horses & dogs & humans : I have seen townies sitting alone for hours by a stinking canal full of tugs belching diesel fumes. But because many Labour voters indulge in it, Labour has no plan to ban this "sport" with 300 times higher carnage per participant. They could say a fox is more sentient than a fish, but this would beg the embarrassing question " Is an intelligent person's happiness worth more than a stupid person's ? " Probably, but as champions of the disadvantaged, Labour would have to ban fishing instead of hunting, because the fox is cunning enough to look after itself.

Hunters are wrong to claim that a hundred people pursuing one fox is a cost-effective cull ; it is a social event. Other people enjoying each others' company is what most antihunters really dislike. They are wrong to claim any interest in foxes' welfare, let alone poultry's. They have banned the most humane way of killing foxes and allowed snaring, shooting & gassing to continue in which the fox typically takes 1000 times longer to die.

Labour MPs have argued that a fox feels anxious when a hunt approaches. Oh dear ! Surely it is the agony not the anxiety we must minimise. The time from first wound to loss of consciousness is minimal when a large pack of hounds all pounce on the fox at once. This is precisely what Labour's law has banned. The law was to snub humans, not alleviate foxes' pain. Labour wanted to destroy rural pageantry from which they feel excluded. Their law has had the opposite effect. Hunts are better attended, and by more sympathetic people, than before the ban. The fancy dress & hornblowing continues unabated. But foxes suffer slower deaths.

Why not hunt an aniseed bait ? Because it is more useful to kill a fox. They are a menace. They kill for fun, not just to eat. They often kill a dozen chicken and only take one away to eat. There are some bloodthirsty hunters, but most just want to feel that their day's exertions have acheived something useful. Townies understand what a nuisance mice are, and would never criticise someone as bloodthirsty for setting a mousetrap, even though the commonly used type leaves a mouse in agony for hours.

The government has no business to ban a private passtime just because it is old fashioned. Lefties who disagree deserve to live in a communist country which bans modern decadences such as pop concerts. Most voters dislike hunting & homosexuality & smoking. That doesn't mean they should be banned except perhaps where nonparticipants are harmed. We are not a monocultural society like Germany has been.

07-01-2005, 09:50 AM	#101 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,194 Party: Libertarian Party	So why did you speak about UKIP members as if they were something you are not? I recognise that not all members of UKIP will agree with every point that I believe, but I still address them as fellow members. I am happy for all kinds of people to support UKIP, including you, so I don't wish anyone not be part of the party. However, if you attack UKIP as if it were not part of an organisation that you subscribe to, why should I believe that you are a member? I am happy to be wrong, if it is just a case of you forgetting you were a member now! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

07-01-2005, 01:31 PM	#103 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,194 Party: Libertarian Party	To be fair to Kernow, I think he meant anti-hunt people are rabid, rather than Jews. I don't think his attack was aimed at them being Jewish, but that they were hypocrites for eating Kosher meat (which is deemed barbaric by some), while being anti-hunt for it being babric! I'll leave it to Kernow to confirm that! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-01-2005, 12:37 PM	#108 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,194 Party: Libertarian Party	Does anyone know a good broken record player repairman? I have a record that only plays the first track over and over again! Thanks :twisted: __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

02-08-2008, 03:45 PM	#110 (permalink)
timwlandon Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6 Party: UKIP	Foxhunting I have stood next to hounds killing their prey within a few seconds, and next to a fisherman taking half an hour to exhaust a fish by pulling it to & fro by a hook through its lungs, a process they call "playing" the fish, which shows the sadistic spirit of the sport. Fishing doesn't even have hunting's merits of providing fresh air & exercise & social intercourse for horses & dogs & humans : I have seen townies sitting alone for hours by a stinking canal full of tugs belching diesel fumes. But because many Labour voters indulge in it, Labour has no plan to ban this "sport" with 300 times higher carnage per participant. They could say a fox is more sentient than a fish, but this would beg the embarrassing question " Is an intelligent person's happiness worth more than a stupid person's ? " Probably, but as champions of the disadvantaged, Labour would have to ban fishing instead of hunting, because the fox is cunning enough to look after itself. Hunters are wrong to claim that a hundred people pursuing one fox is a cost-effective cull ; it is a social event. Other people enjoying each others' company is what most antihunters really dislike. They are wrong to claim any interest in foxes' welfare, let alone poultry's. They have banned the most humane way of killing foxes and allowed snaring, shooting & gassing to continue in which the fox typically takes 1000 times longer to die. Labour MPs have argued that a fox feels anxious when a hunt approaches. Oh dear ! Surely it is the agony not the anxiety we must minimise. The time from first wound to loss of consciousness is minimal when a large pack of hounds all pounce on the fox at once. This is precisely what Labour's law has banned. The law was to snub humans, not alleviate foxes' pain. Labour wanted to destroy rural pageantry from which they feel excluded. Their law has had the opposite effect. Hunts are better attended, and by more sympathetic people, than before the ban. The fancy dress & hornblowing continues unabated. But foxes suffer slower deaths. Why not hunt an aniseed bait ? Because it is more useful to kill a fox. They are a menace. They kill for fun, not just to eat. They often kill a dozen chicken and only take one away to eat. There are some bloodthirsty hunters, but most just want to feel that their day's exertions have acheived something useful. Townies understand what a nuisance mice are, and would never criticise someone as bloodthirsty for setting a mousetrap, even though the commonly used type leaves a mouse in agony for hours. The government has no business to ban a private passtime just because it is old fashioned. Lefties who disagree deserve to live in a communist country which bans modern decadences such as pop concerts. Most voters dislike hunting & homosexuality & smoking. That doesn't mean they should be banned except perhaps where nonparticipants are harmed. We are not a monocultural society like Germany has been.

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07-01-2005, 07:03 PM	#104 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,184	Thank you mkpdavies that is exactely what I meant. I have never disliked Jews, infact when I was in business I had many business assocates who were Jews. When I say "rabid", I mean as in a mad dog with Rabies! I was having a go about the Jewish MPs double standards. In my opinion anybody who knowingingly eats Kosher or Halal meat, or takes part in catching fish on a hook, or shoots live targets for sport, or owns a factory farm have no right to say people who hunt with hounds are cruel. I have never Knowingly eaten Religeous ' prepared' meat, or owned a factory farm, but I have shot and fished. So you see my knowledge is not 'lifted' out of the tabloids.