Is the party focusing too much on asylum issues?

Anthony Butcher · 13-09-2004, 02:01 AM

When discussing the party with friends, the same comment keeps coming up - "isn't UKIP just a bunch of racists?".

This image, which I sincerely hope is incorrect, isn't helped by the constant focus on immigration and asylum issues. Obviously this is a strong point of the party, but it also puts many other potential supporters off.

If the party is to continue to grow, I think that it has to rid itself of the racist image. No party can become mainstream without also being respectable and showing respect to all British citizens. I would think that some public criticism of the BNP would go some way to helping repair the party's image.

An example of how serious this is can be seen on this page. If they can compile such a list, then the party really does need to purge itself of all links with the BNP and put some distance between the two parties.

LP-2004 · 29-09-2004, 10:31 PM

I dont think UKIP talk about immigration and related subjects to much at all.
It is a major subject in contempory Britain that needs to be adressed, aslong as we dont get transformed INTO phpbb_a one policy party.

mkpdavies · 29-09-2004, 10:37 PM

I think it is a major issue, and yes we will be attacked for mentioning it. I do feel any colourful language, or images should be avoided if possible.

Personaly I thought the standing room only picture on the back of the Euro election flyer was a bit too strong. Simply stating that we believe in a more controlled approach, ala Australia is sufficient and represents the party view.

We should never let it become an easy target for spin masters such as Labour to shoot at.

shadbolt · 02-10-2004, 03:30 PM

Whether it is politically incorrect or not, I believe that the majority of indiginous people of this island are thoroughly p****d off with our open border policy and would welcome a party to state unambiguously that they will put a halt put to it.

We should find a way to tap INTO phpbb_the latent emotions of the indiginous population and use it as a lever to win votes and support. It does have to be done cleverly, but it can and should be done. Every country in the world is now sensitised to immigration problems and every country will be hardening its borders, I am working on a project right now that offers a system to governments to screen passengers whilst they are in flight so that they can be denied access before they land. Maybe just such a system was used to screen out Cat Islam Stevens. Europe is the only area dissolving their borders voluntarily. Know this, that when Turkey joins the EU, a flood of incompatible ideas is going to flood INTO phpbb_Britain - this is also an issue which UKIP can use in the coming election - but it has to be done cleverly.

shadbolt · 02-10-2004, 03:32 PM

I couldnt vote on this issue ForumMaster, please can you increment the "No" vote on my behalf and/or enable me to vote. Thanks in advance.

mkpdavies · 02-10-2004, 06:04 PM

Shadbot, you are right about the public being annoyed. Hence the reason that some are starting to turn to the BNP! Unlike the media I am not going to put down the people for thinking they are the solution, but I think they need encouraging that UKIP will be a better choice as the more tollerant fair minded party.

LP-2004 · 02-10-2004, 08:11 PM

Anthony, I would also like to have a 'No' vote put on the debate on my behalf if thats possible, thanks.

rjt · 09-01-2007, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I think it is a major issue, and yes we will be attacked for mentioning it. I do feel any colourful language, or images should be avoided if possible.

Personaly I thought the standing room only picture on the back of the Euro election flyer was a bit too strong. Simply stating that we believe in a more controlled approach, ala Australia is sufficient and represents the party view.

We should never let it become an easy target for spin masters such as Labour to shoot at.

Yes I broadly agree with what you are saying here I think something all smaller non racist partys have to be careful of is concentrating too much on this issue people need to know broadly what we are going to do across the board, health, education , transport etc as well as imigration. it is all to easy to just be seen as stuck on one/two issues.

kernow · 09-01-2007, 11:48 AM

WE mustn't ease up on the EU issue, we must always emphasise the point that it is because we are in the EU we are obligated to having open border policy on immigration etc. etc. We mustn't let our politicians (especially Blair) take the blame for Laws which are a direct result of us being in the EU, or else Joe Public will just think that getting rid of Blair, Cameron or Campbell will solve Britain's ills, they won't realise that whoever replaces them from the three main parties will still be subservient to Brussels. We must let Joe Public know that until Britain withdraws from the EU, any manifesto from any party is not worth the paper it is written on!

tito · 10-01-2007, 06:23 PM

I take it that is spam.
(mkp:Yes it was)

View Poll Results: Is the party focusing too much on asylum issues?
Yes, it is damaging the party's image.	2	66.67%
They are getting it about right.	1	33.33%
No, we need to push the issue harder.	0	0%
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13-09-2004, 02:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,733 Party: None	Is the party focusing too much on asylum issues? When discussing the party with friends, the same comment keeps coming up - "isn't UKIP just a bunch of racists?". This image, which I sincerely hope is incorrect, isn't helped by the constant focus on immigration and asylum issues. Obviously this is a strong point of the party, but it also puts many other potential supporters off. If the party is to continue to grow, I think that it has to rid itself of the racist image. No party can become mainstream without also being respectable and showing respect to all British citizens. I would think that some public criticism of the BNP would go some way to helping repair the party's image. An example of how serious this is can be seen on this page. If they can compile such a list, then the party really does need to purge itself of all links with the BNP and put some distance between the two parties.

29-09-2004, 10:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I think it is a major issue, and yes we will be attacked for mentioning it. I do feel any colourful language, or images should be avoided if possible. Personaly I thought the standing room only picture on the back of the Euro election flyer was a bit too strong. Simply stating that we believe in a more controlled approach, ala Australia is sufficient and represents the party view. We should never let it become an easy target for spin masters such as Labour to shoot at. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

02-10-2004, 03:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
shadbolt Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Richmond, London Posts: 121	Silent majority want greater restrictions Whether it is politically incorrect or not, I believe that the majority of indiginous people of this island are thoroughly p****d off with our open border policy and would welcome a party to state unambiguously that they will put a halt put to it. We should find a way to tap INTO phpbb_the latent emotions of the indiginous population and use it as a lever to win votes and support. It does have to be done cleverly, but it can and should be done. Every country in the world is now sensitised to immigration problems and every country will be hardening its borders, I am working on a project right now that offers a system to governments to screen passengers whilst they are in flight so that they can be denied access before they land. Maybe just such a system was used to screen out Cat Islam Stevens. Europe is the only area dissolving their borders voluntarily. Know this, that when Turkey joins the EU, a flood of incompatible ideas is going to flood INTO phpbb_Britain - this is also an issue which UKIP can use in the coming election - but it has to be done cleverly. __________________ God Bless England

02-10-2004, 03:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
shadbolt Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Richmond, London Posts: 121	Vote fixing I couldnt vote on this issue ForumMaster, please can you increment the "No" vote on my behalf and/or enable me to vote. Thanks in advance. __________________ God Bless England

29-09-2004, 10:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
LP-2004 Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: merseyside, uk. Posts: 160	I dont think UKIP talk about immigration and related subjects to much at all. It is a major subject in contempory Britain that needs to be adressed, aslong as we dont get transformed INTO phpbb_a one policy party.

02-10-2004, 06:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Shadbot, you are right about the public being annoyed. Hence the reason that some are starting to turn to the BNP! Unlike the media I am not going to put down the people for thinking they are the solution, but I think they need encouraging that UKIP will be a better choice as the more tollerant fair minded party. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

02-10-2004, 08:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
LP-2004 Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: merseyside, uk. Posts: 160	Anthony, I would also like to have a 'No' vote put on the debate on my behalf if thats possible, thanks.

09-01-2007, 11:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,874	WE mustn't ease up on the EU issue, we must always emphasise the point that it is because we are in the EU we are obligated to having open border policy on immigration etc. etc. We mustn't let our politicians (especially Blair) take the blame for Laws which are a direct result of us being in the EU, or else Joe Public will just think that getting rid of Blair, Cameron or Campbell will solve Britain's ills, they won't realise that whoever replaces them from the three main parties will still be subservient to Brussels. We must let Joe Public know that until Britain withdraws from the EU, any manifesto from any party is not worth the paper it is written on!

10-01-2007, 06:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
tito Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Pembrokeshire Posts: 3,035	I take it that is spam. (mkp:Yes it was)

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