Thread: Food

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

That's fine by me. If certain companies want to up the premium based on whatever, then that's their call. I can then choose to use them or not. The more competition the better.

If no one will insure me, then I would have to ask why that is and take action, instead of expecting the taxpayer to bail me out or hope that a charity might take pitty on my fat ****.

I'm certain that no health provider will be falling over themselves for the custom of someone with arterial sclerosis or other cardio-vascular disease, the competition will not be there for you to take advantage of, YOU will be in the competitive field against those even less physically fit than yourself.

Charity? Charities require public donations. That means that someone else must pay for your gluttony.

Much better that we have certain services provided by the state, and the cost spread across us all though with additional payments made by those with a greater likelihood to make use of them.

By all means have the Big Mac and all the trimmings, but pay for the social cost that living that way brings about with a fat tax at point of sale.

Originally Posted by Robin

Trouble with this is some occupations are more dangerous or unhealthy than most others, and thus would require huge premiums, if available. This might lead to some jobs never being occupied, and would be dtrimental to the whole country.

Those jobs would need to make sure their staff were covered by a company policy or pay enough to make it possible for their staff to do.

I don't see why I should fund it by force.

Originally Posted by The Bear

I'm certain that no health provider will be falling over themselves for the custom of someone with arterial sclerosis or other cardio-vascular disease, the competition will not be there for you to take advantage of, YOU will be in the competitive field against those even less physically fit than yourself.

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Charity? Charities require public donations. That means that someone else must pay for your gluttony.

If people leave their insurance right up until they really need it, then that is their fault. Certainly once someone takes out insurance, the company should be bound by law to maintain the cover or at least state clearly that they won't.

Charity requires VOLUNTARY donations. If people want to volunteer to help others who have made poor lifestyle choices, then that should be their call.

The irony is that libertarians, on average, do donate to charities. Probably why we see them as a reasonable solution.

I think it would be a great shame to lose our NHS system, overstretched it is, but to replace it with private health care isn't the way to go. What we should be doing is banning processed convenience foods, that, coupled with inactivity is the main reason for obesity and some cancers. Perhaps we should go back to the old days where women stayed in the home and had the time to prepare food from scratch. Make adjustments to the welfare state giving no assistance to single mothers, if they choose to have children out of wedlock let their parents support them. And finally, immigrants. The NHS should be for native Brits only, I see no reason why immigrants and visitors should receive medical care for free, they should have medical insurance or the means to pay or be turned away. The same should apply to education, housing and benefits. New Zealand has the right idea, check this out..

Expats' paradise lost in New Zealand's jobs crisis - just weeks after it was named best place to make a fresh start | Mail Online

Only a few weeks ago, New Zealand was identified as the best place for British expats to make a fresh start.

It didn't take long for the accolade to wear thin.

The dreams of hundreds who left for a better life on the other side of the world are now turning into nightmares.

The expats face losing their jobs and being kicked out of the country because of the credit crunch and what is said to be a major shift in policy by the New Zealand government.

With unemployment at a six-year high of 5 per cent of the population of 4,300,000, tough economic times have led to jobs going to native New Zealanders first.

One reason is the decision by Kiwis who have lost jobs overseas to return and seek work at home.

Employment minister Paula Bennett says more than 3,000 of the 26,000 who returned last year ended up on benefits.

Jobless foreigners risk losing their work visas and having to return to Britain, with some accusing the New Zealand government of pursuing a 'jobs for Kiwis' policy.

A migrant assistance group, created by two Britons who emigrated nine years ago, has infuriated the government by issuing a pamphlet that claims the attitude of officials is: 'We've taken your money, used your skills, now b****r off!' Mike Bell, of the Move2NZ group, said: 'We are seeing families who have worked here years being effectively kicked out in two weeks.

'Many have existing jobs or offers of work in areas listed by immigration as being in dire shortage. Employers are tearing their hair out as there's nothing they can do.'

Some 20,000 skilled Britons went to New Zealand to work in 2008. They were given visas allowing them to take jobs and apply for permanent residency after two years.

But the 'Essential Skills' policy of bringing in experts from abroad appears to be in tatters. This follows a report last month from the New Zealand auditor general that highlighted bad decision-making in the immigration department.

Mr Bell said New Zealand lured skilled foreigners who filled gaps in the jobs market and added more than £3billion a year to the economy.

He said: 'The government now appears to be working hard to sabotage this lucrative source of income by effectively kicking out staff that employers badly need.

'These workers have been invited. But they are effectively being told New Zealand doesn't want them any more. Many have applications for new or renewed permits declined, even if their occupations are on the 'Essential Skills' list. Desperate employers are denied permission to keep skilled staff.'

Mr Bell said one European family had ended up separated and living on charity, adding: 'We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Good for them, we should be doing the same.

And I can't believe you fartarses have hijacked this thread with talk of the NHS. You bunch of fascists, if you had it your way we'd all be eating rabbit food and tofu. What you lot need is a slice of chocolate cake.