Are we a democracy ?
Do most people care ?
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Are we a democracy ?
Do most people care ?
No we are not and No they do notOriginally Posted by Robin
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:1
No and haven't been for a long time.
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I think that the real question is, Is Democracy a Fools Paradise?
If we take the American Presidential Election of 2004, between Bush and Kerry, both Bush and Kerry are members of the Skull and Bones Society, both have publicly admitted so separately and on camera.
Both represented opposing Parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, which ever party won that election, the Skull and Bones secret organisation were in control of America, Is that Democracy????
YouTube - George Bush and John Kerry Skull and Bones members
How Democratic is that?
Add the fact that Burkes peerage, has picked the winner of the four previous Presidential elections, by tracing back the family line of the presidential candidates, and picking the one that is most closely related to our fear Queen Liz. The nearest related to the Queen won the election.
I don not know much about American politics, but on the British Political scene, there is nothing worth mentioning between the Policies of our three main parties, they are to all intents and purposes, one and the same party.
So i would ask, Is Democracy nothing but a Farce?
Does Democracy only exist in the minds of the walking dead, the political zombies, that vote every election in blind faith, believing every lie that they are told by the Government, and its controlled controlled media?
Yes we do get a vote, but is it not the case, that like America, we only get to pick which one of their men will supposedly represent us?
Adoption by gay couples in Scotland was approved by MSPs in 2006, despite an official consultation process which showed that nearly 90 per cent opposed it.
In Trevor Philips' autobiography, The Windrush, he gloatingly concedes that, in the 1950s, 90 per cent of the British wanted all immigration stopped.
And yet the will of the 10 per cent prevailed.
In this country millions marched against the war in Iraq.
To no purpose.
THEY aren't interested in what we want. In fact, whenever we tell THEM that we really want something, THEY seem to take delight in making sure we don't get it.
Still the unrepresentative and partial behaviours do stoke the fires. Even the most indoctrinated are liable to wake up when their duvet's ablaze.
I never use bad language and rarely insult and yet I find myself getting banned from forums much quicker than I did a couple of years ago.
Why, I've even been banned for a month from here!
THEY are rattled, folks.
THEY aren't smiling any more.
Interesting times.
Last edited by Jack Black; 01-02-2009 at 09:26 PM.
Yes we are but a deeply flawed one.
Firstly, M3 started off by saying it was the will of the people to do this and that. Fine. As we all know we elect our MPs to be our voice but it seems that the MPs will rather take the whip than the wishes of the electorate. I think a classic case in point was the 42 day detention which I think was a deeply unpopular move, yet most all Labour MPs took the three-line-whip.
As supposedly 75% of our laws are made undemocratically in Europe, then I can't see how we can be a full and true democracy.
Then I think the way we vote in MPs is wrong (and I am not a Liberal) and it is crazy that the party that actually gets the most votes does not necessarily win the election. Coupled to the fact that the Boundary Commission has made a complete balls up of things, really has favoured one party more than the rest, how can that be democratic?
Scotland - 59 MPS - Population 5.144m = 87186 people per MP
Wales - 40 MPs - Population 2.980m = 74500 people per MP
NI - 18 MPs - Population 1.759m = 97722 people per MP
England - 529 MPs - Population 51.092m = 96582 people per MP
Population figures taken from Office of Nat. Stats for 2007
I thought that the best way forward would be to introduce referenda, certainly on big issues like the EU, but this could be gradually extended to as many that were reasonably possible.
Money doesn't talk, it swears. Robert Zimmerman
I like the idea of referenda. However I think that the only way that they could feasibly work on a frequent/large scale with regards time and expense is to be able to do it all on line. I presume that with the ever increasing home internet connection rate, then this might be feasible. Then again anything to do with Government and computers is bound to end in disaster!!
But going back to the question of are we a democracy, I tend to think that local government is more accountable and therefore more democratic than central Gov. Therefore we should get rid of central and go with just local!!!
So do I. It is an important reason for supporting the BNP, as it has always been their policy to have citizen-initiated referenda. That is why I consider them the MOST democratic party in Britain.
Yes and no. Certainly local government is more accountable than central government, but since they cannot make any real decisions (being constrained in what they do by central government) they are not really democratic - just an illusion of democracy.
I think it is called E-DemocracyI like the idea of referenda. However I think that the only way that they could feasibly work on a frequent/large scale with regards time and expense is to be able to do it all on line. I presume that with the ever increasing home internet connection rate, then this might be feasible. Then again anything to do with Government and computers is bound to end in disaster!!
But going back to the question of are we a democracy, I tend to think that local government is more accountable and therefore more democratic than central Gov. Therefore we should get rid of central and go with just local!!!
Although we cannot get rid of central government entirely - I am a great believer that decisions should be made at the lowest level possible - so devolving powers where ever possible has my vote.
It is pretty certain that we are not a democracy at present and things are getting worse not better.
Money doesn't talk, it swears. Robert Zimmerman
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