boris

Hi everyone.

this thread is for all those out there who still do not believe there is a new world order agenda designed to bring in an Orwellian state.

I was here about a month ago and got involved in some debate about david icke, and i got the usual nudge-nudge-wink-wink "queen is a reptile" and "Icke is the anti-thesis of rational conversation" vibes

Well okay then, fair enough. Icke does go on about reptiles and I accept that this is just too much for people to believe, and puts many off his work altogether. So lets leave david icke out the equation, and focus on THE HUGE NUMBERS of other people trying to get the word out regarding the new world order.

I challenge ANYONE who thinks there is no such thing as a new world order to watch this video via the link below. It's an excellent documentary that reveals some pretty mindblowing concepts..way too much for me to list here. The only way is to watch it for yourself. This video is an EDUCATION in itself. Here is the link...


Its in 13 parts with each part around 10 minutes long...so make a flask of tea before you start.

You all debate democracy here, and i respect all of you for that...cos you actually take an interest in human affairs rather than zoning out at a TV all the time like most people....but as far as I can see most of you are unaware of the big picture unfolding all around us, which is cleverly disguised so we dont notice it. Nowadays this is often called "being alseep".

I am not a deranged conspiracy theorist. I am just an average joe type guy that likes to know the FACTS. If you watch that video above you will be presented with some quite startling facts.....none of which you are asked to blindly believe....you are actually encouraged to go do your own research into the matters touched upon. Anyone that does bother to do some research on the NWO will likely be amazed at the amount of credible people now trying to get the word out. It's not just a david icke thing...far far from it.

Please watch this video and then reply to this thread if you feel you want to.

douglas denny

I have never been impressed on "huge numbers" of people having the same opinions ....... they can be, and often are, totally wrong. A whole nation in the late 1930's thought that jews in their country should be exterminated - I happen to think they were spectacularly wrong in that.

Don't use the numbers argument thank you.

DED
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boris

okay DED, point taken. There was no way i could please everyone with my intro.....so apologies.

All the same, please do watch the documentary. It also mentions the Jews in 30s Germany.

douglas denny

Ok Boris - just couldn't help but point out that one; as being a natural rebel means I immediately switch off, or on the other tack, if anyone says I should be doing something just because everyone else is doing it or says it is right. Most of the great philosophers or religious figures only became great or highly significant because they did the opposite of everyone else.

You may be interested to know I have been following covert political machinations for some years and am aware of the 'New World Order' theories; Bilderberg Group; Illuminati; Freemasonry; Order of the Skulls; Knights Of Malta; and other secret organisations which could or could not have political significance.

There is no doubt in my mind there are supra-national organisations which are trying to manipulate world events; but they are in the same postion as governments themselves and yet have far less power (unless they can involve the whole of a government in their wishes as did the P2 Freemasonry lodge in Italy for example). Even governments however are subject to the winds of constant change blowing them off course, so I doubt the secret organisations get much of a look-in when the inertia in trying to make change is so great.

Also the real power-brokers are not even governments anymore but the multi-national corporations - who, in-turn, are bankrolling the poltical parties greasing the wheels of power into their way of thinking.

Mr. Murdock for example did not go to visit Mr. Bliar when he was Prime Minister just to have a cup of tea and a chat and talk about the weather.

DED.
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Geoffrey Collier

Bertrand Russell said, what distinguishes the mediaeval world from the modern one is, ' the rise of science, and the decline of ecclesiastical authority'. Undeniably that was to produce a 'new world order', not over-night but over the generations. It was to change that foundation, on which intellectual orthodoxy had rested since antiquity. If we prefer the emotive description, to the more bland one (I'm a 'blandist' myself) we can employ descriptions like a 'new world order', but it's important that we consider the processes
which effect change. Put aside conspiracies, I would suggest, for they can get in the way of clear thinking. Global conspiracies are the stuff that madness is made of. Some would like to impose their will; many have tried, but they are confined by the material of their circumstances. The late Fuehrer, for example, planned an alliance with England, and a free-hand in the East: instead he had an pact with Russia and a war with England. Something must have gone wrong in the office on that day.

Any system will produce socialisation, which in turn, results in a certain degree of uniformity, call it the geist, as did Hegel, or cultural hegemony, as did the marxists, or the collective consciousness, as did Jung; but there is nothing analytical about all that, it is a crude labelling exercise. Freud noticed that we engage in war from time to time; they definitely do it, so we will call that the thanatos instinct; the most generous descrition of that kind of thinking is teleological. Something happens, it must have a cause, we don't know what it is, but at least we can give it a name. That is not serious philosophy. Academic philosophers, are in the business of classifying knowledge. What do we know? How do we know it? How can we verify it? and what is the classification of that knowlege which we claim to know? Is it analytical, a-priori, a-posteriori, instinctive, intuitive, empirical, synthetic, and several dozen more. This is the real road
for understanding. Talking about the Bilderbergers, Freemasons, Illuminati, literati, Womens Institute,and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all, is madness on its annual outing. We must do better than that.

douglas denny

I know exactly what it is.

It is the same thing that has driven all human kind since we left the forests to wander on the African plains (so the theory goes) - and which has driven the evolution of humans since then i.e. ...the necessity of mutual co-operation which caused the evolution from forest apes into humans; and which would be called in modern terms - tribalism.

Tribalism is the need to form closely allied groups, to work together for mutually advantageous reasons; and together, to oppose any competing groups which might threaten the existence of the primary tribal group.

Tribalism is there to be observed in the raw in all human relationships from Women's Institutes; golf and tennis Clubs; right up to international conflicts as has just happened in Georgia. It is the basic driving force in political parties and so-called politics - which I would say is merely tribal warfare sublimed into a non-bloodletting means of achieving the same thing - power over your neigbours.

Organisation of people and their affairs is done by politics.
Politics requires policies to achive its aims.
Von Clausewitz pointed out in his important book 'On War', that "War is a continuation of policy by other means".
This statement is exactly reversible: so the corollary of this is true too: that policy (read politics) is war continued by other means.
Politics then, can be seen for what it is: as sublimed tribal warfare.

Unfortunately the non-lethal means sometimes turns into the lethal variety as happened in Georgia in the last few days. You couldn't get a better example of this process.

War usually occurs when so-called "leaders" make fatally flawed assumptions/decisions about the intentions or determination of adversaries. They all do it, all of the time, which is why wars are a part of all human affairs and contuinue to do so.
They will always exist. (Though the bleeding-heart liberals might hate it).

History is littered with examples of leaders making bad assumptions of other leaders intentions. Famously, for example, Hitler (and Hess) thought Britain would sue for peace and make "accommodations" (i.e. agree to German aggression) based on German guarantees of Britian keeping the Empire intact whilst Germany would take over Europe. They didn't read Churchill right at all.
Unfortunately the Georgian president has made the same blunder with Putin.

DED.
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