Jack Black

On 26 July 2008, The Daily Mail published, Holocaust by hunger: The truth behind Stalin's Great Famine, by Simon Sebag Montefiore.

This is an edition of the article:

Holocaust by hunger: The truth behind Stalin's Great Famine | Mail Online

As Mr. Sebag-Montefiore suggests, Vyacheslav Molotov bears a huge responsibility for the mass murder of the Ukrainian and other Soviet peasantry in these terrible times.

As he is mentioned four times in the article, you might be forgiven for thinking that Molotov was, say, four times more responsible for this unheard of genocide than Lazar Kaganovich, who is mentioned only once.

Whereas, in fact, Kaganovich is, generally, recognised as the bloodier of the two.

I don't suppose the fact that Lazar Kaganovich was Jewish has anything to do with it. And I should think Sebag-Montefiore's own Jewishness didn't enter into his historical calculations at all.

No, as it could be pointed out that Molotov's wife was also Jewish, I shouldn't think the Jewishness of Sebag-Montefiore and the man who, after Stalin, was most responsible for the Ukrainian Holocaust, had anything to do with the author mentioning the "wolf of the Kremlin" only once.

In passing.

Sebag-Montefiore tells us that "a famine occurred in Ukraine and southern Russia in 1921".

About 5,000,000 peasants died. A. B. Khalatov was Lenin’s head of food allocations in the Soviet Union at this time. In The Chicago Trubune the journalist, Donald Day wrote:

Khalatov was also Jewish.

As for the Cheka, the original incarnation of the KGB, in The Unknown Lenin, Dr. Richard Pipes, Professor of History at Harvard University, says this:

On page 117 of Jewish Nationalism and Soviet Politics. The Jewish Sections of the CPU, 1917-1930, Zvi Gitelman confirms the above:

There's a lot they don't teach you in school nowadays, isn't there?

Oh, by the way, just in case the PC Crowd are watching, I'd better point out that Zvi Gitelman and Dr Richard Pipes are both Jewish.

Simon Sebag-Montefiore concludes his Daily Mail piece with these words:

What?

You think this might not be genocide, Simon? You think, perhaps, that it doesn't match up to the Jewish "holocaust", even though many more people were killed? *

I wonder why that should be?

Victims of Lazar Kaganovich, the Cheka, Vyacheslav Molotov and Joseph Stalin can be seen here:


* If you think this statement is contentious, check out pages 4, 5 and 6 of the 7 page essay, The Biggest Lie, here:

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Tony Bennett

It is a pity, Jack Black, that in drawing attention to the wickedness of Stalin's Holocaust, in which, according to best guesstimates, between 10 million and 30 million died, you have diverted attention and responsibility for this international outrage on to a handful of Jews, instead of blaming - as you should have done - the godless, athiestic, Marxist philosphy which underpinned Soviet Communism

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Aardvark

The largest group of the first Commissars by ethnicity was Armenian. Stalin had trained as a priest in Georgia having been a criminal in his earlier years.

The numbers are disputed - 10-30 million is a wide margin of error. The only agreement is the sheer scale. The atrocities perpetrated on Ukraine led to the Ukrainians initially welcoming Hitler in many places. Had the Nazis been more in tune with the situation they were in they could have ruled many former Soviet countries for a sustained period had they not committed equally brutal atrocities on their potential supporters.

The history books are being rewritten as older people who somehow survived are recording what they can, but so much was lost. Slowly the truth will out.

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Smidgey

Tell me Tony, does being an atheist make someone want to murder? Otherwise I see no connection between Stalin being an atheist and being a murderer.

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The Bear

Jack, your logic in constantly blaming Jews for bad things follows the same logic that proves that frogs hear through their legs.

Read on …..

A biologist was interested in studying how far bullfrogs can jump. He brought a bullfrog into his laboratory, set it down, and commanded, "Jump, frog, jump!"

The frog jumped across the room.

The biologist measured the distance, then noted in his journal, "Frog with four legs jumped eight feet."
Then he cut the frog's front legs off. Again he ordered, "Jump, frog, jump!"

The frog struggled a moment, then jumped a few feet.

After measuring the distance, the biologist noted in his journal, "Frog with two legs jumped three feet."
Next, the biologist cut off the frog's back legs. Once more, he shouted, "Jump, frog, jump!"

The frog just lay there.

"Jump, frog, jump!" the biologist repeated.

Nothing.

The biologist noted in his journal, "Frog with no legs is deaf."

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Tony Bennett

Smidgey wrote: "Tell me Tony, does being an atheist make someone want to murder? Otherwise I see no connection between Stalin being an atheist and being a murderer".

REPLY: Certain ideas and philosophies, especially amongst a nation's leaders, may predispose one to become repressive and, in turn, commit murder on a large scale. I would cite both atheism and non-Biblical, false religions like Roman Catholicism (e.g. The Inquisition and the 1401 Heresy Act here) and Islam, especially its 'purer', more strictly Koranic form, Islamism, as ideas, beliefs and philosophies that have historically predisposed regimes to commit mass murder.

Godless repressive regimes that became murderous:

* French Revolution and the 'Reign of Terror'

* Nazi Germany, heavily infliuenced by the godless humanistic philosophy of evolution (Struggle for Existence...'Mein Kampf')

* Stalin's Communist regime

* Mao Tse Tung and the 'Cultural Revolution' in China.

All of these regimes stamped on Christian believers, though in Hitler's case his convenient 'Concordat' with the Roman Catholic Church meant that he secured the active help of many prominent Roman Catholics.

Can you tell me of any larger-scale murderous regimes than these four, in the last 200 years or so?

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Aardvark

In percentage terms of his overall population, Pol Pot was up there with the best of them.

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BonnieDundee

I'm not satisfied with the Pol Pot figures personally. It seems to be alot of guess work.

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Jack Black

A "handful", eh?

Obviously, this bit didn't catch your attention:

At the time of Lenin’s death in 1924, the three most powerful men in Russia, were Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev, real names Leon Bronstein, Grigori Apfelbaum and Leon Rosenfeld.

The first two were Jewish, Kamenev's father was a Jew.

On page 19 of his 1994 work, Stalin Against the Jews, Arkady Vaksberg, confirms the above, thus:

Thus, according to Vaksberg at least, as we know that Sokolnikov was also Jewish, the four top men in Russia at this early stage of the revolution were all Jewish.

Oh, and, by the way, so was Sverdlov.

And, just in case you’re thinking that the historian, Arkady Vaksberg, is some redneck Ivan AntiSemite, well, he’s Jewish as well.

Now we know that Stalin was up there somewhere amongst the elite so let’s, for the sake of an upcoming equation, make him number five. That’s four Jews and a Georgian Asiatic in charge of a Russian population of mainly European origin in 1924.

So, here’s the equation, if the Jewish population of Russia at this time comprised 1.8 per cent of the whole, according to their incidence in the population this ought to have meant that, of the 56 top jobs in Russia at the time, just one should have been held by a Jew.

Thus, in a completely equal a fair society, four Jews should have held four posts out of the top 224.

But that was not the case. They held four out of the top five positions.

In 1924 Russia, therefore, a "handful" of Jews had something like 45 times the influence they ought to have had at the top table.

Anyway, you don’t get into such positions of strength within a revolutionary movement without ever having played a major role in the planning and execution of the events that led up to the revolution in the first place. Also, you won’t be the only four Jews that took part.

As J. L. Talmon, Professor of Modern History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem says, on pages 71 and 72 of his 1968 book, Israel Among The Nations:

Confirming the above, Stuart Kahan, the nephew of the aforementioned Lazar Kaganovich, wrote a 1987 biography of his uncle titled, The Wolf of the Kremlin.

On page 81 he says:

Applying the previous mathematical formula to Kahan’s statistics, we find that, in respect of Communist Party membership "in the Bolshevik era", Jews were 29 times more likely to have been a Party member than their incidence in the population suggested they ought to be.

In respect of these monstrous times, perhaps another Jewish handful should be mentioned. The handful of mega-rich Jewish-American businessmen who were the primary funders of the Revolution.

Chief among these would be one Jacob Schiff.

If anyone doubts what I'm saying here, look the various characters up in Google.

Within 20 or so entries you will invariably find a Jewish site boasting about the role they played in the Russian Revolution.

There is a lot they never taught us in school Tony Bennett.

At a time when our Jewish chums are doing their level best to get their boy Miliband to the number one spot, most of the Neocons who created the war in Iraq are Jewish, most of the "Oligarchs". who robbed Russia blind during their particularly nasty variation of the privatisation scam, are Jewish also and most of the mainstream media of the western world is owned and controlled by Jews, I'm in the business of having the British people know their hidden history.

Perhaps you would care to explain why you would not have them know it?

As for this:

And your logic in contantly refusing to acknowledge that which Jews were and are demonstrably responsible for, in no way proves that you are a lizard that talks, thinks and composes its internet submissions via the hole in its a***.

Nor does it prove that you, yourself, are a Jewish chap who does not wish anything that might run counter to the almighty Jew-fondling propaganda of the post war years, to become generally known.

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david H

Jack, I enjoy your controversial posts but you are not doing your homework. Simon Sebag Montefiore is from an old Jewish family and Peter Hitchins who you quoted previously is half Jewish. I have said many times that the problem with the old-style anti semitic arguments is that so many people in the white homelands have some Jewish blood. The situation has changed.
Furthermore, the peoples who are decadent and dying out are us and Jews - muslims are far from it and have a manly way of life. This is changed further, by the fact that in the west we are both enemies to Muslims, mainly over Palastine but also the ludicrous undeclared wars we have waged in iraq and Afghanistan, and need to co-operate in self-defence. I know it is not easy because of historic conflicts but things have been changed by mass immigration. Those Jewish people who encouraged it and those living in the past who are fighting Nazis instead of the Muslim danger infront of ius, like the chairman of The Board of Deputies, have brought their people into danger and must bear responsibility if things go bad. In all the years I lived and worked ininner cities I never met a muslim who did not hate Jews.

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