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Old 03-08-2008, 02:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Your wittering on around the same boring theme of der ewige jude reminds me of a story that I heard many years ago.

Benny meets Reuben and sees Reuben is carying a newspaper.

“So whatcha readin’?” asks Benny.

“Me?” answers Reuben.

(Ever noticed mister-he-who-knows-so-much-about-Jews Jack, how often a Jewish person will answer question with a question? No, I suppose not. You already know everything there is to know about Jews don’t you.)

Pfft.

So back to the story and Reuben’s reply to his mate Benny

“Me? Oh it’s the Jerusalem Post”

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“But Benny” he continues “I see you gotta paper as well. What’s yours?”

“It’s the Flame!” announces Benny with pride.

Reuben is shocked. “But Benny …….”

Benny interrupts him.

“Look Reuben, YOUR newspaper tells you how hard things are, how we are constantly lied against, how anti-Semitsm is springing up again by all the filth and so much more.

Now MY newspaper tells me how we own all the banks, how we influence all the world affairs, how we have all the money!

I KNOW it’s “drek” …. but at least it makes me feel better than having to read the truth”

There! It seems only fair. You make me laugh, the least that I can do is return the favour!
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Old 03-08-2008, 02:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The problem with the mass murderers of last century is that they were idelogues and ideology is always right and other people have to be moulded to fit into it. That seems to lead to totlitarianism and mass slaughter. We have a soft version in western countries being pushed by the former New Left or cultural marxists.
What I find really deplorable is that since the 60.s we have had academics like Scruton, Cowling and the Salisbury Review trying to turn conservatism into a rival ideology. As I mentioned elsewhere I was castigated by the editor of Chronicles for not putting forward an argument: I know! I hope I never do. In fact, I seem to have heard a similar suggestion on here more recently.
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Jack, I enjoy your controversial posts but you are not doing your homework. Simon Sebag Montefiore is from an old Jewish family and Peter Hitchins who you quoted previously is half Jewish.
Oh, David, once in a while I get it wrong but "not doing my homework" is almost never a charge that can be levelled at me.

In the essay Stalin's Holocaust at my web site I point out Sebag-Montefiore's Jewishness thus:

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And I've known that the mostly admirable Peter Hitchens was part-Jewish (he's not half-Jewish) for some time. (He never comes out and criticises Jews mind)

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I have said many times that the problem with the old-style anti semitic arguments is that so many people in the white homelands have some Jewish blood.
I don't think my "anti-semitic arguments are "old-style.

In fact, I don't really recognise such a depiction of my efforts.

I point out that which the powers-that-be wish to keep hidden and have, generally, been successful in keeping hidden. Much of the hidden history involves our Jewish brethren. If dark doings we know little about would cast the Jew in a poor light upon exposure, should I not speak of it?

Why? Because the Jew is the enemy of our enemy?

I am in the business of undermining Big Brother. I want his ability to f*** with the British people in particular, and the decent people of the earth in general, stopped. The best and simplest way of doing this, it seems to me, is to tell the truth he does not want told, exposing the lies he tells and demonstrating how he has profited from such deception.

Should I do what everyone else does and let the Jew be?

For political expediency's sake?

That's what the politician does, David. And I'm no politician.

The elite of world Jewry have been able to wreak a lot more havoc upon the rest of us than they would otherwise been able to if decent people hadn't been so hesitant to speak out for fear of being demonised, attacked or otherwise undemined.

Well, that's not me. Not when there is just so very much that is dark and disreputable to talk about.

And, as the Neocon, the Oligarch, the Friends of Israel parliamentarians, the governmental sponsorship (a la Lords levy, Sainsbury et al) the Brit-misguiding media and the bewilderingly (to most) unrepresentative next PM, David Miliband, demonstrate, overweening and foully misused Jewish power and the good, old-fashioned 19th century Jewish Question are still very much with us.

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The situation has changed.

Furthermore, the peoples who are decadent and dying out are us and Jews - muslims are far from it and have a manly way of life. This is changed further, by the fact that in the west we are both enemies to Muslims, mainly over Palastine but also the ludicrous undeclared wars we have waged in iraq and Afghanistan, and need to co-operate in self-defence. I know it is not easy because of historic conflicts but things have been changed by mass immigration. Those Jewish people who encouraged it and those living in the past who are fighting Nazis instead of the Muslim danger infront of ius, like the chairman of The Board of Deputies, have brought their people into danger and must bear responsibility if things go bad. In all the years I lived and worked ininner cities I never met a muslim who did not hate Jews.
Nick Griffin could have said this.

This is almost exactly where the BNP is now.

Well, I'm all for bashing the Muslims.

They need and deserve to be bashed.

I join in in a small way but the Jewish media is doing a much better job in this regard than I could ever manage, so, for the most part, I let them get on with it and get stuck in elsewhere.

I guess I'll carry on concentrating on the bits of the jigsaw that others are not concentrating on. The most off-limits of the off-limit stuff.

Or, more likely, whatever occurs to a haphazard man at the time.

Quixotically improbable endeavour suits me, David.

And, you never know, once in while, with the help of thousands of others who are at the same hard, revellatory game, I may cause the odd shape-shifting windmill to tumble.

Despite the improbability.
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The problem with the mass murderers of last century is that they were idelogues and ideology is always right and other people have to be moulded to fit into it. That seems to lead to totlitarianism and mass slaughter. We have a soft version in western countries being pushed by the former New Left or cultural marxists.
Just exactly what cultural Marxists are and their relation to Marxism is never really explained though.

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What I find really deplorable is that since the 60.s we have had academics like Scruton, Cowling and the Salisbury Review trying to turn conservatism into a rival ideology. As I mentioned elsewhere I was castigated by the editor of Chronicles for not putting forward an argument: I know! I hope I never do. In fact, I seem to have heard a similar suggestion on here more recently.
Then you'll never win any debates.
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Jack, I apologise. I rushed through it.
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I don't try to. The idea that truth can be attained by debate or argument is a Liberal one. I have told you repeatedly that I identify with a traditional strand of conservatism. The methodology for deriving a version of events, not truth, is collating from the world around us and from reported examples. This is to develop practical wisdom by inference from the world we share, especially from learning about human nature, and not submitting to received ideoloies like you cyphers.
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Well, I always find your posts interesting but you lump them all together and there are distinctions. I'm surprised you lump me in with NG, but it does show that thinking amongst nationalists is undergoing ferment and developing into a new explanation for a different time.
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I don't try to. The idea that truth can be attained by debate or argument is a Liberal one. I have told you repeatedly that I identify with a traditional strand of conservatism. The methodology for deriving a version of events, not truth, is collating from the world around us and from reported examples. This is to develop practical wisdom by inference from the world we share, especially from learning about human nature, and not submitting to received ideoloies like you cyphers.
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That is still an argument. Looking to tradition and experience is still an argument.

And as I'm of no fixed ideology it is very strange you'd accuse me of submitting to a "recieved one".
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BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Alexander Solzhenitsyn dies at 89

Just to note that one of the chroniclers of Stalin's abuses has just passed away.
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Smidgey wrote: "Tell me Tony, does being an atheist make someone want to murder? Otherwise I see no connection between Stalin being an atheist and being a murderer".

REPLY: Certain ideas and philosophies, especially amongst a nation's leaders, may predispose one to become repressive and, in turn, commit murder on a large scale. I would cite both atheism and non-Biblical, false religions like Roman Catholicism (e.g. The Inquisition and the 1401 Heresy Act here) and Islam, especially its 'purer', more strictly Koranic form, Islamism, as ideas, beliefs and philosophies that have historically predisposed regimes to commit mass murder.

Godless repressive regimes that became murderous:

* French Revolution and the 'Reign of Terror'

* Nazi Germany, heavily infliuenced by the godless humanistic philosophy of evolution (Struggle for Existence...'Mein Kampf')

* Stalin's Communist regime

* Mao Tse Tung and the 'Cultural Revolution' in China.

All of these regimes stamped on Christian believers, though in Hitler's case his convenient 'Concordat' with the Roman Catholic Church meant that he secured the active help of many prominent Roman Catholics.

Can you tell me of any larger-scale murderous regimes than these four, in the last 200 years or so?

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Tony, you didn't answer the question.

Henry VIII was a vile murderer and a converted protestant - I cannot therefore conclude that converted protestants are likely to murder.

Further, do you believe that I am likely to murder?
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