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Old 02-08-2008, 07:47 AM   #41 (permalink)
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This says a very great deal.

The Press Association: UK Muslims found aiding Taliban war

To sit at home muttering is one thing, but to schlep out and engage in battle, that's another matter altogether.

Should “our boys” be there? I say no, but they are British Servicemen and women and under orders. The fault lies not with them but with the government who sent them but the “British” Muslims?

Is the fault with them alone, or is there fault to be placed on the forces that sent THEM.

I say absolutely yes.

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Old 05-08-2008, 11:27 PM   #42 (permalink)
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It might be a tedious game but thanks to the actions of Muslim's all over the world I'm going to find it a lot easier to score than you are. Plus you started it.
You missed the point, which was this: I do not apply my knowledge and feelings about Nick Griffin to all Nationalists. Nick Griffin is not 'Nationalism'. Nationalism is an idea, a concept, a way of life. I must judge Nationalism by the ideals of Nationalism, not the ideals of a man who purports to be Nationalist.

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I don't think it is silly for people to associate me with Griffin, I did join his Party and I do describe myself as a nationalist. I could not reasonably expect the benefit of the doubt which is just as well because I'm not going to get it.
But you are not in 'his' party anymore and openly reject his idea of nationalism. Perhaps there is a Sunni Vs Shia symmetry here? Both are Muslms, but both have slightly different ideas about what it is to be a Muslim.

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Personally I don't even recognize Griffin as a nationalist,
But who are you to decide what he is? He counts himself a nationalist and is the Chairman of the leading nationalist party in Britain, and you say he isn't a nationalist.

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I think he is a disingenuous Nazi and that he and his supporters are enemies of the British people, and humanity in general for that matter. Whats more I have said so repeatedly. Would you care to say the same of the the people whose version of Islam differs from yours? That would of course by a significant fraction (certainly a majority) of the Muslims in the world and is, I think, against your religion.
I might say that bin Laden isn't a Muslim, but who am I to say that? He counts himself as a Muslim as Griffin counts himself as a nationalist. Neither of us like the situation that a nutter is seen to be representative of our respective ideologies, but that is the hand we have been dealt.
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