Scandal Say:There is no God

The Bear · 06-07-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

The fool hath said...

Well that’s a turn of phrase you’ll have to give up if you decide to become “saved” and convert to Christianity!

Check out Mat 5:22!

Mike, you're a gem!

g hall · 06-07-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by For_England

yeah, err, optimistic, nice story, but Islam can't be conclusive of other religions. You see, it contradicts the Bible, but at the same time it appeals to the Bible for its own authority, and even urges that its teaching be compared with the Bible to see if it is true. It fails the test.

Which test would that be ?

The bible is a collection of works which contradict themselves anyway

Jesus had one thing right "Treat others as you would be treated!

When you see the things done in his name you wonder what he would do today certainly many people in the CofE and the RC church would be joining the moneylenders

BonnieDundee · 06-07-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

Not at all. Faith is a type of belief, but not all belief is faith - far from it. Unless you are being facetious and would claim that my belief that I will fall back to earth when I jump is a faith position because I cannot know with absolute certainty that the laws of gravity will remain true. Obviously I cannot, but such cases are so absurd and would water down the definitions of belief and faith to make them almost meaningless.

I don't think agnosticism is a tenable position in any way (except for those agnostics who claim that any question concerning God is unanswerable and irrelevant).

If someone claims to be any other kind of plain agnostic, then they are - by default - also an atheist. There are two positions: Either you support Manchester United or you do not (theist and atheists). Those who have never heard of the team Manchester United clearly do not support them (the agnostics). Agnostics are also atheists (unless they define themselves as above).

If you don't believe in god you an athiest, if you believe you are a theist and if you don't know you are an agnostic.

BonnieDundee · 06-07-2008, 01:07 PM

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yeah, err, optimistic, nice story, but Islam can't be conclusive of other religions. You see, it contradicts the Bible, but at the same time it appeals to the Bible for its own authority, and even urges that its teaching be compared with the Bible to see if it is true. It fails the test.

Umm xtianity does all that of the OT.

Smidgey · 06-07-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

If you don't believe in god you an athiest, if you believe you are a theist and if you don't know you are an agnostic.

No. They are not exclusive. Someone who does not know obviously does not believe in God either (unless of course they are an agnostic theist). So either you are an agnostic theist or you do not believe in God and are therefore and agnostic atheist (or a gnostic atheist).

good · 06-07-2008, 07:55 PM

Welcome
I am optimistic!

I do not know the problem: (?!

When sent a response in the subject, which wrote earlier, show me this message:

Thank you for posting! Your post will not be visible until a moderator has approved it for posting. You will now be taken back to the forum. If you opted to post a poll, you will now be allowed to do so.

Why?
Will everyone like me: (?!

This is my reply sent by the former long time does not appear to present:

It's an honor for me that you've seen my topic
Thanks to those who welcomed me, and thank those who commented, and readers
Thank you all

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I will start answering some of the interventions and questions
Expressed amazement at the fact of the lack of understanding of some of the story, and expected that everyone believe the existence of God
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I will start to answer and I hope that does not bother him

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I invite you to watch this tape .. Any sane person would not deny the existence of God after seeing
Takes 44 minutes but wonderful

Google Video

For further
Read here ..

Harun Yahya - THE COLLAPSE OF ATHEISM - Download Page

The entire site is quite remarkable and dazzling!

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Originally Posted by g hall

first question Define God

The word "Allah" is the perfect description of the "One God" of monotheism for Jews, Christians and Muslims!

Is "Allah" only for Islam and Muslims?
[No! It is for All Three Abrahamic Faiths.]

"Allah" is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Bible, centuries before Islam came.

On page one [1] of Genesis in the Old Testament, we find the word "Allah" seventeen [17] times.

Every hotel and motel has a Bible. Next time you see one look in the introduction, you will find samples of the different languages they have translated. For Arabic they have translated the verse in the New Testament in Arabic from the famous verse in the Gospel John 3:16 -

"For God so loved the world . . . "
- and the word the translators used in Arabic for "God" is the very same word used by Muslims around the planet, "Allah."
Where Does the word "Allah" Come From?

"Allah" comes from the Arabic word "elah"a god' or something worshiped. - (Arabic) means '

This word (elah) can be made plural (gods), as in "aleha" and it can be male or female just as the word in English can be "goddess."

"Allah" comes from "elaha" but it brings more clarification and understanding.

Allah= Has no gender (not male and not female)
"He" is used only out of respect and dignity - not for gender
Allah = Always singular - Never plural
"We" is used only as the "Royal WE" just as in English for royalty
Allah =Means "The Only One to be Worshipped"

For more detail
God Allah - Does It Mean God?
God Allah - Goodies - Islamic Wallpaper | Audio | Video
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Belief in One God

Muslims believe there is only one God. The Arabic word for God is Allah. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah as well. This belief is the fundamental basis of all other beliefs and practices in Islam, and is in the heart of every Muslim. The declaration of faith (the first pillar of Islam) is: “I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except God
and Muhammad is His messenger"
This statement made by those who wish to become Muslim, reflects the essential nature of this belief. There a several descriptions of Allah in the Qur'an:
“Say, Allah is One, Allah the Eternal, Absolute He begets not nor is He begotten And there is none comparable to Him.” (Surah Al-Ikhlas, Chapter 112)
“Allah! There is no God save Him the Living, the Eternal Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. Unto Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the Earth Who is he that intercedes with Him save by His leave? He knows that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will His throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them He is the most high, the Supreme (in glory).” (Surah Al-Baqarah, Chapter 2 Verse 255) From the descriptions in the Quran we know that:

* Allah (God) has no children, no parents and no partners
* Allah (God) has always existed and will always exist
* Allah (God) was not created; He is the creator of all that exists
* Allah (God) knows everything
* Allah (God) can do anything
* Allah’s (God’s) justice is fair
* Allah (God) is the most merciful
* Only Allah (God) is worthy of worship
* There is nothing comparable to Him

A Muslim can directly approach Allah by praying and by reciting the Qur'an. These can be formal prayers (salah) or informal supplications (Dua). There is no need for intercession in Islam.

ask for islam

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My respect and appreciation

BonnieDundee · 07-07-2008, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

No. They are not exclusive. Someone who does not know obviously does not believe in God either (unless of course they are an agnostic theist). So either you are an agnostic theist or you do not believe in God and are therefore and agnostic atheist (or a gnostic atheist).

I suppose. It all seem rather over-complicated to me.

The Bear · 07-07-2008, 07:12 AM

Islam is to religion as Nazism is to politics.

Mikeuk · 07-07-2008, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

Islam is to religion as Nazism is to politics.

Rubbish.

I used to work with Muslims. They were polite, hard working and clean living. Never had any problems with them.

I worked with a Nazi as well, but that's another story.

The Bear · 07-07-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Rubbish.

I used to work with Muslims. They were polite, hard working and clean living. Never had any problems with them.

I worked with a Nazi as well, but that's another story.

Mike, dear heart, do try to use at least a little thought before committing rubbish to forum.

Did I sat Muslims are like Nazis?

No.

What I wrote was ”Islam is to religion as Nazism is to politics.”

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