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BonnieDundee · 06-07-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by g hall

Halal and Kosher were humane when they were formulated but time moves on and advances are made and religions should move on as well, funny how the advances they adopt generally involve an ability to kill more unbelievers more quickly and efficiently

Actually according to research by the university of Hanover Halal and Kosher are in fact more humane than the stunning methods. I provided a summary and links above.

NickIrons · 06-07-2008, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Except of course the empirical evidence is against you and you have not deemed to comment on this. In fact it seems halal is more humane than stunning based on empirical evidence.

The evidence you have provided, and as correct as it may be, does
in no way, indicate what pain was suffered, it only measured EEG
and ECG, pain is imesurable, as what maybe a mild discomfort for one person, is intolerable for another. Not a good example I know, but
relevant in any case.. Why do some peolple faint in having tiny
tattoos, where others who have much larger ones sit and have a
chat and not be really bothered...............
And as I have stated in a previous post, Halal/Kosher/Western
has nothing to do with the fact that cutting any mammals throat
in whatever manner will cause pain to some extent.
Unless of course there is no working central nervous system.

BonnieDundee · 06-07-2008, 03:14 AM

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The evidence you have provided, and as correct as it may be, does
in no way, indicate what pain was suffered, it only measured EEG
and ECG, pain is imesurable, as what maybe a mild discomfort for one person, is intolerable for another. Not a good example I know, but
relevant in any case.. Why do some peolple faint in having tiny
tattoos, where others who have much larger ones sit and have a
chat and not be really bothered...............

However this is about the only objective method of testing pain we have. Unless you have a better objective method.

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And as I have stated in a previous post, Halal/Kosher/Western
has nothing to do with the fact that cutting any mammals throat
in whatever manner will cause pain to some extent.

You have no proved it though. In fact I no a little of biology and the fact that a quick, deep cut with a very sharp blade is not usually felt immediately, particularly if it is followed by almost instant shock through massive loss of blood.

NickIrons · 06-07-2008, 03:26 AM

As I have said right from the beginning, if any mammal has
it's throat slit, some pain must be felt, (however small) by
the nature of the fuction of the central nervous system,
which you must be aware of as you have said you have an
understanding of Biology. To say that a wound of that nature,
however clean it may be, is painless, without a shadow of a
doubt, is contrary to current medical science. And for the third
time, all I am stating is that a wound of that nature will cause
pain, and it is not possible to acertain to what level. If you can
show me how pain is measured and the scale that is used for it,
I'll slit my own throat.

BonnieDundee · 06-07-2008, 03:29 AM

Prove it.

It is well known that such wounds don't cause instant pain and the empirical evidence backs this up.

I'm done here unless you can summon up some actual evidence for your position except your opinion.

NickIrons · 06-07-2008, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Prove it.

It is well known that such wounds don't cause instant pain and the empirical evidence backs this up.

I'm done here unless you can summon up some actual evidence for your position except your opinion.

Actual evidence!! Like saying "It is well known" by who? Dave
down the Pub?

It is not my opinion, you stated that slitting a mammals throat is
painless, if the said animal has a working central nervous system,
going on current medical science, some degree of pain will be felt,
however small, that is a fact, so talking of evidence, seeing as pain
is imeasurable, you cannot state that a wound of that nature is
painless, and for the forth time, that is all I am stating, it is not
measurable.

BonnieDundee · 06-07-2008, 03:40 AM

You offer no prove for your assertions. I have. I must ask for proof.

NickIrons · 06-07-2008, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

You offer no prove for your assertions. I have. I must ask for proof.

The proof is, a wound of that nature, in a mammal with a working
central nervous system, will create pain, to what extent, however small,
is not measurable, but a wound will generate a pain reaction recognised
by the brain, via the central nervous system. If you want anymore proof, smash a glass over your head and you'll see what I mean. For the fifth
time, unless you have evidence to challenge current medical science, a
wound will create a pain response in the central nervous system, to say
slitting a mammals throat is painless 100% is not possible to prove.

BonnieDundee · 06-07-2008, 03:55 AM

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
--Christopher Hitchens

I think we are done here.

NickIrons · 06-07-2008, 04:07 AM

For the sixth time, you stated that certain methods of
slitting an animals throat is painless. It is impossible to
quantify that it is painless. Unless of course you doubt
the current medical science on the functioning of the
central nervous system.

06-07-2008, 03:29 AM	#45 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	Prove it. It is well known that such wounds don't cause instant pain and the empirical evidence backs this up. I'm done here unless you can summon up some actual evidence for your position except your opinion. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

06-07-2008, 03:40 AM	#47 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	You offer no prove for your assertions. I have. I must ask for proof. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

06-07-2008, 03:55 AM	#49 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. --Christopher Hitchens I think we are done here. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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06-07-2008, 03:26 AM	#44 (permalink)
NickIrons Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bienne, Switzerland Posts: 494	As I have said right from the beginning, if any mammal has it's throat slit, some pain must be felt, (however small) by the nature of the fuction of the central nervous system, which you must be aware of as you have said you have an understanding of Biology. To say that a wound of that nature, however clean it may be, is painless, without a shadow of a doubt, is contrary to current medical science. And for the third time, all I am stating is that a wound of that nature will cause pain, and it is not possible to acertain to what level. If you can show me how pain is measured and the scale that is used for it, I'll slit my own throat.

06-07-2008, 04:07 AM	#50 (permalink)
NickIrons Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bienne, Switzerland Posts: 494	For the sixth time, you stated that certain methods of slitting an animals throat is painless. It is impossible to quantify that it is painless. Unless of course you doubt the current medical science on the functioning of the central nervous system.