News: Detentioned for Not Praying to Allah!

BonnieDundee · 04-07-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tara

Don't tell me why I think the way I do, you arrogant *unnus. I couldn't give a flying fig about religion, I care about animal welfare. Halal should be banned because it is cruel.

Go forth.

Please try and be civil or don't post.

It isn't cruel. It is perhaps not as good as could be but is not cruel and we don't need the state or bloody animal right activists banning it. I personally enjoy hunting and fishing, are those to banned too? Because they are worse than Halal. In Halal the animal's throats are cut and they die immediately with no pain, the only difference is the stunning, it is hardly cruel, particularly compared with hunting, shooting and fishing.

Tara · 04-07-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UkipHM

I like Sweden's attitude: all animals to be killed at all must be given anaesthetics beforehand.

Is that so? I didn't know that, that's good. Animals live in this world too and they have their lives taken from them for our benefit, they should be treated with care and respect. Man is far too arrogant, for all we know, we could one day come back as a battery hens or cows.

Tara · 04-07-2008, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Please try and be civil or don't post.

It isn't cruel. It is perhaps not as good as could be but is not cruel and we don't need the state or bloody animal right activists banning it. I personally enjoy hunting and fishing, are those to banned too? Because they are worse than Halal. In Halal the animal's throats are cut and they die immediately with no pain, the only difference is the stunning, it is hardly cruel, particularly compared with hunting, shooting and fishing.

Don't tell me what to do. I've no wish to talk to you again and will ignore you from now on. Go forth.

BonnieDundee · 04-07-2008, 11:31 PM

So you don't actually have an argument despite the uncivil behaviour. I think you should consider showing more grown-up qualities in your posts.

Either your objection is religiously motivated or rather of an anti-Islamic motivation, and hence of no interest to me, or you are going to come after my hunting and fishing as well and hence I will resist and try and debunk your argument.

Halal killing is a relatively quick and painless death, much the same as has been done for centuries in the west and still is among people without fancy stunning equipment. It is also largely the same practice as kosher slaughtering, but I see no uproar about that.

Aardvark · 04-07-2008, 11:42 PM

I understand halal is banned in Norway, but they hunt whales.

Cutting the throat is not painless. No reason not to stun the animals. Allah, in his wisdom, all knowing and omnipotent, when laying down the rules didn't anticipate the invention of humane killers so suggested halal which was an improvement at the time. Oddly Allah, in his wisdom, all knowing and omnipotent, didn't anticipate space flight either. In fact Allah got quite a few things wrong including his misanthropy. I wouldn't want a child of mine to pray to him, especially not a girl.

Tara · 05-07-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

Cutting the throat is not painless. No reason not to stun the animals.

Agreed. Animal welfare organisations have videos of animals being slaughtered without being pre stunned and the poor things take a few minutes to die in agony hung from a metal hooks from one of their legs. There have been cases of cows having their legs ripped from their bodies on these hooks because of their weight whilst still alive, horrific. The RSPCA turn a blind eye to Halal and Kosher because of political correctness so I've stopped giving money to them.

kernow · 05-07-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

No it shouldn't be banned, you are trying to use the state to enforce your religious beliefs and biases. It isn't very cruel, they are killed quickly still. It is certainly far better than hunting and I don't think that should be banned.

As per usual on this forum people making statements about things they know nothing about!

BonnieDundee · 05-07-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

Cutting the throat is not painless. No reason not to stun the animals. Allah, in his wisdom, all knowing and omnipotent, when laying down the rules didn't anticipate the invention of humane killers so suggested halal which was an improvement at the time. Oddly Allah, in his wisdom, all knowing and omnipotent, didn't anticipate space flight either. In fact Allah got quite a few things wrong including his misanthropy. I wouldn't want a child of mine to pray to him, especially not a girl.

Actually it would be painless, the animal would instantly go into shock and die quite quickly.

Btw kosher is just the same and hunting and fishing could be considered even worse.

BonnieDundee · 05-07-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tara

Agreed. Animal welfare organisations have videos of animals being slaughtered without being pre stunned and the poor things take a few minutes to die in agony hung from a metal hooks from one of their legs. There have been cases of cows having their legs ripped from their bodies on these hooks because of their weight whilst still alive, horrific. The RSPCA turn a blind eye to Halal and Kosher because of political correctness so I've stopped giving money to them.

That argument is a logical fallacy, the hanging up living animals on hooks has nothing to do with the method of slaughter necessarily.

BonnieDundee · 05-07-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kernow

As per usual on this forum people making statements about things they know nothing about!

I think I'm the only one with a decent knowledge of it so far. If you use a very sharp blade to quickly cut the throat of an animal it would not feel pain. It would immediately suffer shock due to blood loss and the extent of such an injury and be dead quite quickly.

04-07-2008, 11:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,604	So you don't actually have an argument despite the uncivil behaviour. I think you should consider showing more grown-up qualities in your posts. Either your objection is religiously motivated or rather of an anti-Islamic motivation, and hence of no interest to me, or you are going to come after my hunting and fishing as well and hence I will resist and try and debunk your argument. Halal killing is a relatively quick and painless death, much the same as has been done for centuries in the west and still is among people without fancy stunning equipment. It is also largely the same practice as kosher slaughtering, but I see no uproar about that. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr. Last edited by BonnieDundee; 04-07-2008 at 11:41 PM.

04-07-2008, 11:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,692	I understand halal is banned in Norway, but they hunt whales. Cutting the throat is not painless. No reason not to stun the animals. Allah, in his wisdom, all knowing and omnipotent, when laying down the rules didn't anticipate the invention of humane killers so suggested halal which was an improvement at the time. Oddly Allah, in his wisdom, all knowing and omnipotent, didn't anticipate space flight either. In fact Allah got quite a few things wrong including his misanthropy. I wouldn't want a child of mine to pray to him, especially not a girl. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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