White teen kills black teen and not a word from TUS

The Bear · 04-07-2008, 07:49 AM

I came across this item yesterday morning and wondered if there would be the same clamor from The Usual Suspects (TUS) about miscarriages of justice and alleged murderers walking free that followed the recent manslaughter of Brown.

There wasn’t.

What a surprise since it concerned a white girl having killed a black girl.

It’s todays equivalent of “dog bites man vs. man bites dog” I guess, at least around TUS it would seem to be the case.

The story concerns a teenage girl who was attacked by a black girl and the consequences.

Teenage girl walks free after stabbing to death 17-year-old rival in gang fight | Mail Online

It’s a sad story of life in a deprived community, there are no winners only heartbroken families.

And an attacker who it might be said got what they had coming as a result of their actions considering who had, and moreover had USED the knife in the first place.

Yet not a word from TUS.

Mikeuk · 04-07-2008, 07:51 AM

They probably haven't heard about it, any more than I have.

It doesn't matter what colour or sex the murderer is. They should hang anyway.

The Bear · 04-07-2008, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeuk

They probably haven't heard about it, any more than I have.

It doesn't matter what colour or sex the murderer is. They should hang anyway.

It wasn't murder.

In either case.

Aardvark · 04-07-2008, 02:37 PM

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'Sian Simpson was a good, well-mannered, humble young woman who was all ready to begin her life as an accountant.

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Giving evidence Bennett said Sian, who was nicknamed 'Pitbull', had come at her with a knife first so she grabbed a blade to defend herself

The problem we have is that parents clearly don't see the same child that walks the streets. An accountant nicknamed 'Pitbull'? At the age of 17 she was not ready to begin her life as an accountant. She hadn't passed A-levels and hadn't taken any accountancy training. It is a personal tragedy, but she went for the other girl with a knife. I'm not sure I'd employ her to do my tax return.

The deceased's family accused the judge of racism even though race was not an issue.

I don't know the colour of the jurors, and nor do you Bear, but there were 12 people who came to an agreement, having heard all of the evidence, that there was neither murder nor manslaughter. The girl is innocent and can sing it from the rooftops. No crime was committed. Self-defence is still allowed in our country.

You say, 'In either case.' Is there another case referred to in this thread where someone has been killed and the killer has been acquitted?

The Bear · 04-07-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

You say, 'In either case.' Is there another case referred to in this thread where someone has been killed and the killer has been acquitted?

No, I'm referring to the manslaughter of Brown by Mr. Khan an another thread.

Funny how TUS were so verbose about the "wrongness" of that manslaughter (that should have been accidental death or justifiable homicide if that verdict were to exist) yet in this case where a white girl is rightly acquitted there is a stony silence.

Thinking about TUS and their ideals it’s no real surprise.

Olympic Flame · 04-07-2008, 06:44 PM

The root of the problem comes from teenage delinquency. I dont know the current regulation on teens with offence. I would suggest making them report to the nearest police station on weekdays to give a brief summary of their daily actvities until law enforcers and the teen's guardians have enough confidence that those teens are behaving properly.

Liekwise, laws related to public orders could be revised. It is not hard for police to know streets where violence frequently occurs. Groups of young people exceeding certain number with weapons found on their bodies can be perceived as illegal gathering unless an application has been approved for them to carry out lawful activities.

I'm not an expert on this.Maybe such regulations already exist. Most importantly police should be given greater power and less restriction and they ought to be there to activiely prevent possible crimes from happening.

Aardvark · 04-07-2008, 10:02 PM

The chance of getting our teen population to go to the nearest police station on a daily basis is nil. We don't have enpugh police as it is. In any event why should someone list their daily activities to the authorities? You're clearly not a Brit or you would understand how young people think. They would be itemising every time they picked their nose or scratched their bum in order to screw up the system.

Who, in any event, defines what is correct behaviour? Despite New Labour's determined efforts to stamp out our freedoms even they would not want to tell people everything that they should do on a daily basis.

We now have anti-social behavioue orders (ASBOs) for our worst offenders and the police can disperse groups of people in strictly defined circumstances. It's not working particularly well in some areas.

Our prisons are full to overflowing so strict enforcement is difficult as there is no deterrent for most minor offences. Most people abide by the law most of the time as our society is governed by consent, or at least it was until New Labour clamped down on eveything we might enjoy.

Olympic Flame · 05-07-2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aardvark

The chance of getting our teen population to go to the nearest police station on a daily basis is nil. We don't have enpugh police as it is. In any event why should someone list their daily activities to the authorities? You're clearly not a Brit or you would understand how young people think. They would be itemising every time they picked their nose or scratched their bum in order to screw up the system.

Who, in any event, defines what is correct behaviour? Despite New Labour's determined efforts to stamp out our freedoms even they would not want to tell people everything that they should do on a daily basis.

We now have anti-social behavioue orders (ASBOs) for our worst offenders and the police can disperse groups of people in strictly defined circumstances. It's not working particularly well in some areas.

Our prisons are full to overflowing so strict enforcement is difficult as there is no deterrent for most minor offences. Most people abide by the law most of the time as our society is governed by consent, or at least it was until New Labour clamped down on eveything we might enjoy.

Im only making possible suggestions as I dont really know about the laws in detail and how far they can go. I was only refering to those teens with a record of violent crimes and introducing a so called probation period which requires them to limit their personal freedom temporarily.

So how would you suggest to combat the rising crime rate, given that you rule out the choice of enpowering our police force?

The Bear · 05-07-2008, 11:42 AM

Bit of a laugh, really.

All the fuss from TUS following the killing of a violent BNP thug, yet not a whisper when a white person kills a black in an act of self defence.

g hall · 05-07-2008, 04:51 PM

Simple remedy, bring back stop and search, carrying a knife 10 years min, no ifs no buts, do not pass go, do not collect £200, game over. Have I made myself clear

04-07-2008, 07:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,071	White teen kills black teen and not a word from TUS I came across this item yesterday morning and wondered if there would be the same clamor from The Usual Suspects (TUS) about miscarriages of justice and alleged murderers walking free that followed the recent manslaughter of Brown. There wasn’t. What a surprise since it concerned a white girl having killed a black girl. It’s todays equivalent of “dog bites man vs. man bites dog” I guess, at least around TUS it would seem to be the case. The story concerns a teenage girl who was attacked by a black girl and the consequences. Teenage girl walks free after stabbing to death 17-year-old rival in gang fight \| Mail Online It’s a sad story of life in a deprived community, there are no winners only heartbroken families. And an attacker who it might be said got what they had coming as a result of their actions considering who had, and moreover had USED the knife in the first place. Yet not a word from TUS. __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

04-07-2008, 10:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,515	The chance of getting our teen population to go to the nearest police station on a daily basis is nil. We don't have enpugh police as it is. In any event why should someone list their daily activities to the authorities? You're clearly not a Brit or you would understand how young people think. They would be itemising every time they picked their nose or scratched their bum in order to screw up the system. Who, in any event, defines what is correct behaviour? Despite New Labour's determined efforts to stamp out our freedoms even they would not want to tell people everything that they should do on a daily basis. We now have anti-social behavioue orders (ASBOs) for our worst offenders and the police can disperse groups of people in strictly defined circumstances. It's not working particularly well in some areas. Our prisons are full to overflowing so strict enforcement is difficult as there is no deterrent for most minor offences. Most people abide by the law most of the time as our society is governed by consent, or at least it was until New Labour clamped down on eveything we might enjoy. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

05-07-2008, 11:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,071	Bit of a laugh, really. All the fuss from TUS following the killing of a violent BNP thug, yet not a whisper when a white person kills a black in an act of self defence. __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

05-07-2008, 04:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,905	Simple remedy, bring back stop and search, carrying a knife 10 years min, no ifs no buts, do not pass go, do not collect £200, game over. Have I made myself clear __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

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04-07-2008, 07:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,297 Party: UKIP	They probably haven't heard about it, any more than I have. It doesn't matter what colour or sex the murderer is. They should hang anyway.

04-07-2008, 06:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
Olympic Flame Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 217	The root of the problem comes from teenage delinquency. I dont know the current regulation on teens with offence. I would suggest making them report to the nearest police station on weekdays to give a brief summary of their daily actvities until law enforcers and the teen's guardians have enough confidence that those teens are behaving properly. Liekwise, laws related to public orders could be revised. It is not hard for police to know streets where violence frequently occurs. Groups of young people exceeding certain number with weapons found on their bodies can be perceived as illegal gathering unless an application has been approved for them to carry out lawful activities. I'm not an expert on this.Maybe such regulations already exist. Most importantly police should be given greater power and less restriction and they ought to be there to activiely prevent possible crimes from happening.