Anglicans form 'new church' in gay clergy row

Tara · 30-06-2008, 02:31 PM

Henry Makow is a top banana!! I suggest Bear that you write to him at henry@savethemales.ca and express your views, he's very approachable and will answer your points and with your permission will post your conversation on his website - you'll be famous!!

I actually agree with most of what Makow writes so won't bother debating your points as our views are too far apart and we'll never reach an agreement.

Mikeuk · 30-06-2008, 05:02 PM

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Henry Makow is a top banana!! I suggest Bear that you write to him at henry@savethemales.ca and express your views, he's very approachable and will answer your points and with your permission will post your conversation on his website - you'll be famous!!

I actually agree with most of what Makow writes so won't bother debating your points as our views are too far apart and we'll never reach an agreement.

Hmm. I think we can leave the Freemasons out of it.

Tara · 30-06-2008, 05:09 PM

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Hmm. I think we can leave the Freemasons out of it.

The Freemasons at the upper levels (33rd degree) are a Satanic organisation. I think you may be referring to the bottom 3 levels that are relatively innocent and are chuffed at being invited to join an 'exclusive' club thinking they are a cut above. They ain't.

Mikeuk · 30-06-2008, 05:22 PM

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The Freemasons at the upper levels (33rd degree) are a Satanic organisation. I think you may be referring to the bottom 3 levels that are relatively innocent and are chuffed at being invited to join an 'exclusive' club thinking they are a cut above. They ain't.

So where would that leave an 18th degree Mason such as myself?

Halfway between Heaven and Hell, perhaps?

For_England · 30-06-2008, 05:24 PM

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None of this matters if it doesn't recognise the authority of the archbishop of Canterbury and the monarch.

The Anglican Church is not like the RC church where one bishop is over the others - he has primacy of honour, nothing more, and the apostolic succession of bishop is not invalidated if the archbishop of Canterbury goes into heresy and schism.

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Anyway xtian scripture evolved over hundreds of years

That is nonsense.

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None of the canon gospels(or indeed the non-canon ones.) are thought to be authored by people who knew Jesus or even people who knew people who knew Jesus, by serious scholars at least.

Quite the contrary - most mainstream scholars do believe in the apostolic authorship of much of the NT (though not all).

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And there are gospels as old as the canon that did not make it into the canon.

I don't think you know what you are talking about on this one.

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Even those epistles of Paul which are often thought to be genuine and by no means certainly so and by no means give anything near the complete Xtian doctrine that is orthodox today.

How are they different from orthodoxy today?

Tara · 30-06-2008, 05:24 PM

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So where would that leave an 18th degree Mason such as myself?

Halfway between Heaven and Hell, perhaps?

Ooo that's interesting. Halfway house indeed. Tell me about the initiations for each level, or is it a secret?

For_England · 30-06-2008, 05:25 PM

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You really do belong in the bible belt of the US in many ways. You are dreaming if you think that kind of fundamentalism has any sway in the UK except among a tiny and shrinking minority.

He was talking of the Worldwide Anglican Communion - the majority of which actually holds to the Christian faith.

For_England · 30-06-2008, 05:30 PM

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How appropriate that the bigoted hatred by Rekers, one of the founders of the Family Research Council, a notoriously anti-gay group, is presented as factual by someone with an axe to grind.

Look in the mirror - and calling people 'bigoted' doesn't take away the question 'but is it true?'

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The fool even believes it is possible to “cure” GAY people.

Well, have been been cured? I have heard people interviewed who say they have been, so why should I doubt it just because you object to the concept?

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So there in three short paragraphs is anti-Semitism, conspiracy theory, and mysticism.

Is this the same person who lost both of his Jewish parents in Nazi Germany

Mikeuk · 30-06-2008, 05:39 PM

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Ooo that's interesting. Halfway house indeed. Tell me about the initiations for each level, or is it a secret?

It's a secret. Here is some information about it.

THE ROSE CROIX

The Ancient and Accepted Rite, conferring degrees above the Third, does not control Grand Lodge. I couldn't tell you exactly who holds the 33rd degree but I very much doubt they are as important as you think. Prince Michael of Kent possibly, and certainly a genial retired clergyman of my acquaintance.

I once met a 31st degree Mason in a bar in New York. I suspect he belonged to the Mafia as well.

Tara · 30-06-2008, 05:52 PM

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It's a secret. Here is some information about it.

THE ROSE CROIX

The Ancient and Accepted Rite, conferring degrees above the Third, does not control Grand Lodge. I couldn't tell you exactly who holds the 33rd degree but I very much doubt they are as important as you think. Prince Michael of Kent possibly, and certainly a genial retired clergyman of my acquaintance.

I once met a 31st degree Mason in a bar in New York. I suspect he belonged to the Mafia as well.

Interesting. It's a shame you can't tell me about the initiation process but if you ever want to spill the beans in future just post it on this thread - I promise I won't tell anyone else.

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