The Bear

As a service to the bible bashers and assorted god botherers in order to save them time by removing much of the need to plough through an assortment of inconvenient truths to get the answers they want I offer this search engine

- Google Search

Whilst it does show a predisposition to link far too often to the political wing of the BNP (once would be too often for me) it nevertheless will be of use to those who want their bigotry pre-digested.

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I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

Mikeuk

The time has come to set aside historic differences and work with the Roman Catholic Church against the Red Nazis and their imposition of immoral tyranny.

For_England

RCs
Work with? Yes. Worship with? No!

NT Church of God (West Indian)
Work with? No. Worship with? Yes!

BonnieDundee

How is it the Anglican church if it splits? The Anglican Church is the established church, that is its role. If you are willing to split from it you have no business being in it.

Anyway let the homophobes go, to the regular community they look like bigots and nuts anyway, I'm tempted to send a letter of support to Archbiship Williams. Heck I'm tempted to start going to the real Church of England's services.

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"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

For_England

Not at all - it is the Anglican Church that has split from the one holy catholic and apostolic church, and it is those who refuse to have communion with its degenerate and unregenerate membership that are the true Church of England, irrespective of what side of the fence the archbishop of Canterbury sits. They have just as much right to split with him as those before to shun the bishop of Rome and his false teachings during the Protestant Reformation.

BonnieDundee

The Church of England is the Church established. No one who splits from it is a member of the Church of England.

And by degenerate membership I presume you mean homosexuals. And can I just say such talk simply makes people look like bigots and nutters to most people. I'd say the CoE is better off without such people, I certainly don't want my state church being run by such people.

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"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

For_England

If the established Church of England falls away from the catholic and apostolic faith, then theologically it ceases to be a true church, and the true Church of England continues in the faithful ministry of apostolic successors. The Church of England is an ancient Church that has gone through various relationships with the State - the state does not define it, for the Church precedes it. The State can set up anything it wants and call it Christianity, but if the doctrinal and historic foundations are removed, it is an empty claim, and such a church is really a waste of time, because it doesn't represent the Bible or the Christian faith, or the God of the Christian faith. It certainly is not a continuation of the Church planted by Augustine and reformed by Tyndale, Latimer, Ridley, Jewell and others. These doctrinal standards transcend the cultural whims of western society, and they are either true or false. If they are wrong, then why even bother going through the motions of religious pretence: we might as well eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die. The Church is the pillar and ground of the truth, not the reflection of a fallen, dying, and morally bankrupt culture. That's like saying that the Flat Earth Society is still the Flat Earth Society, even after people have crept into leadership positions claiming to accept the standards of the society,while not holding them, and then changing the Society to accept a spherical earth and helio-centrism. There is certainly nothing moral about swearing before God to uphold the Christian faith, lying under oath and claiming a belief in the Bible and the 39 Articles, while not believing them.

david H

As I am sure you will know D, it is also the inspiration behind the greatest achievements of our civilisation. The greatest artists, poets and composers were creating to the glory of God. There is a parallel between their acts of creation and Gods avct of creation. As you will know that is reversed now in "contemporary art" and the idea now isto destroy our civilisation. the surrender of the church leaders has aided that process.

For_England

Yes, just as Boot shows so well in his How the West Was Lost. I wish the CofE would disengage itself from the state - the price it paid to throw off the foreign yoke of Rome. But I doubt it would have made much difference. The cultural marxists are determined to redefine every institution and religious expression so that it conforms to their twisted and self-destructive creed, even if it means creeping in and claiming adherence to the traditional faith, just so that they can get a position to change things from within. Well, the present state of the CofE will not last - either it will be rectified, Cromwellian fashion, in revolution and regeneration of our people and culture, or it will be consumed by the virile Islamic religion. Either way the 'abominations in the temple' will come to an end.

david H

Does Boot make any specific points?