Anglicans form 'new church' in gay clergy row

Mikeuk · 01-07-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

No, as a matter of fact I haven’t “dabbled”, I simply have learned over a number of years that people are what they are and not what one thinks that they are and about finding the realities of life.

It’s about wisdom coming with time, keeping an open mind, and it's also common sense.

OK fine. That's your view.

It's time for the rest of us to get back to the task of rolling back the tide of filth.

Tony Bennett · 01-07-2008, 08:05 PM

Bonne Dundee wrote: "Although of course he [Paul] never met Jesus".

REPLY: Um, Bonnie Dundee:

"[Saul] fell to the earth and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest...Arise, go into the city [Damascus] and it shall be told thee what thou must do"

Acts of the Apostles 9 vv 4-6

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Mikeuk · 01-07-2008, 09:26 PM

There's an advert on this page for 'Gaydar - Detect Gays near you'. I got rid of it by logging in.

If only they knew.

a swansong 4 europe · 01-07-2008, 10:21 PM

So, was there a gay in the garden of Eden? Where they hiding behind an apple or something? Why do gays feel they have the 'right' to demand equality in a church that would have had them hung up by their collective b*llocks?

Tony Bennett · 01-07-2008, 10:33 PM

The solemn events of Sodom, whence we get the word 'sodomite', are recorded in Genesis Chapter 19.

They are an illustration of the utter depravity of a civilsation overtaken by rampant homosexuality.

Lest it be thought that this is just a story, let us remember that many many times in the gospels, Jesus Christ confirmed that the Old Testament was true, every jot [iota] and tittle, and moreover He specifically referred to Sodom as an actual historical event.

Here are the awful events, from the most successful-ever translation of the Bible:

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Genesis Chapter 19

1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them [diplomatic Biblical language for: 'we want to have sex with them' - T.B.].

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10 But the men [i.e. the angels - T.B.] put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

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a swansong 4 europe · 01-07-2008, 11:03 PM

Er, ok, a bit more information than I actually expected and no doubt very interesting, but why do gays feel they have a claim on the christian church when its teachings have for generations condemned them? I mean, why do they bother trying to be 'of faith' when there is clearly a conflict of interest?

BonnieDundee · 02-07-2008, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Bennett

Bonne Dundee wrote: "Although of course he [Paul] never met Jesus".

REPLY: Um, Bonnie Dundee:

"[Saul] fell to the earth and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest...Arise, go into the city [Damascus] and it shall be told thee what thou must do"

Acts of the Apostles 9 vv 4-6

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One could reply that hearing voices is not much of an argument in your favour.

BonnieDundee · 02-07-2008, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bear

Still the obsession with the one single aspect of the sexual facet of being a GAY male and not a mention of the emotional side let alone love.

Guess what.

GAY people do love each other just as avidly and in just the same way that heterosexual people do.

Or maybe it is that those who rant on about “doing the dirty” don’t associate love and sex and to them sex is just another variation of masturbation.

It would explain a great deal.

And isn't it interesting that it is basically only homosexual men who are talked of. It shows the bigotry and hypocrisy at work.

BonnieDundee · 02-07-2008, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by a swansong 4 europe

Er, ok, a bit more information than I actually expected and no doubt very interesting, but why do gays feel they have a claim on the christian church when its teachings have for generations condemned them? I mean, why do they bother trying to be 'of faith' when there is clearly a conflict of interest?

Well they might have only have realised their sexuality later, but I can agree with this. I say to them stuff it, if the xtians don't want you that is there loss.

The Bear · 02-07-2008, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a swansong 4 europe

Er, ok, a bit more information than I actually expected and no doubt very interesting, but why do gays feel they have a claim on the christian church when its teachings have for generations condemned them? I mean, why do they bother trying to be 'of faith' when there is clearly a conflict of interest?

Because GAY people are people who are GAY.

PEOPLE first.

Moreover there is a huge difference between Christianity in its pure form, and the Christianity as per the so called Christian church.

01-07-2008, 08:05 PM	#152 (permalink)
Tony Bennett Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,036	Jesus speaks to Paul Bonne Dundee wrote: "Although of course he [Paul] never met Jesus". REPLY: Um, Bonnie Dundee: "[Saul] fell to the earth and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest...Arise, go into the city [Damascus] and it shall be told thee what thou must do" Acts of the Apostles 9 vv 4-6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by Tony Bennett; 01-07-2008 at 08:10 PM.

01-07-2008, 10:33 PM	#155 (permalink)
Tony Bennett Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,036	Genesis 19 vv 1-15 The solemn events of Sodom, whence we get the word 'sodomite', are recorded in Genesis Chapter 19. They are an illustration of the utter depravity of a civilsation overtaken by rampant homosexuality. Lest it be thought that this is just a story, let us remember that many many times in the gospels, Jesus Christ confirmed that the Old Testament was true, every jot [iota] and tittle, and moreover He specifically referred to Sodom as an actual historical event. Here are the awful events, from the most successful-ever translation of the Bible: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Genesis Chapter 19 1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; 2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. 3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. 4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them [diplomatic Biblical language for: 'we want to have sex with them' - T.B.]. 6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. 8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. 9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. 10 But the men [i.e. the angels - T.B.] put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. 11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. 12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: 13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it. 14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law. 15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. SNIPPED HERE

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01-07-2008, 09:26 PM	#153 (permalink)
Mikeuk Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,758 Party: Conservatives	There's an advert on this page for 'Gaydar - Detect Gays near you'. I got rid of it by logging in. If only they knew.

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a swansong 4 europe Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 411	So, was there a gay in the garden of Eden? Where they hiding behind an apple or something? Why do gays feel they have the 'right' to demand equality in a church that would have had them hung up by their collective b*llocks?

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a swansong 4 europe Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 411	Er, ok, a bit more information than I actually expected and no doubt very interesting, but why do gays feel they have a claim on the christian church when its teachings have for generations condemned them? I mean, why do they bother trying to be 'of faith' when there is clearly a conflict of interest?