Anglicans form 'new church' in gay clergy row

The Bear · 01-07-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Bear can you remember which epistle it is in? After all only a minority of them are even given any kind of serious consideration of being written by Paul by mainstream scholars.

I recall there was a bit in "Corinthians". I'll dig it out.

Mikeuk · 01-07-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Here's a start.

Britons Untroubled by Homosexuality: Angus Reid Global Monitor

Polling Data

How comfortable would you personally feel if each of the following were gay?
("Very comfortable", "Comfortable" or "Neutral" included)

A footballer in the team you support
92%

A work colleague
92%

A member of the royal family
88%

Your member of Parliament
87%

Your boss in a new job
87%

A close friend
86%

Another relative
80%

Your brother or sister
78%

Your general practitioner
78%

Your child
73%

Your child's teacher
73%

Your local religious representative
71%

Original poll.

http://www.angus-reid.com/uppdf/Stonewall.pdf

I thought you just claimed that 'moral' views would not command 10% support. Personally I could not give a damn whether all scum-football players are gay. As I don't support any team the qustion doesn't arise.

As for co-workers, I have worked with them myself and assisted them as TU rep. Years ago when I worked with a man who was convicted of toilet creeping during the AIDS scare I was one of a small minority of the staff who did not care whether I used the same tea mug as he did.

The rest of the responses show 10%+ in favour of traditional attitudes. As the other parties are all in competition for the louche libertine vote UKIP is in a good position to set itself apart.

BonnieDundee · 01-07-2008, 09:09 AM

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I thought you just claimed that 'moral' views would not command 10% support. Personally I could not give a damn whether all scum-football players are gay.

The poll was about being comfortable, not completely bigoted.

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The rest of the responses show 10%+ in favour of traditional attitudes.

Not really, they show uncomfortable attidues, not complete bigotry and all out support for your views.

The cause you champion is small and shrinking.

Mikeuk · 01-07-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

The cause you champion is small and shrinking.

No doubt you would like to believe it. I'm sure they said that to the Muslim Fundamentantalists 30 years ago

BonnieDundee · 01-07-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

I recall there was a bit in "Corinthians". I'll dig it out.

I believe the Corinthians are generally considered to be authentic Pauline epistles. Although of course he never met Jesus.

1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians

Tara · 01-07-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

I take it that means that you are unhappy that I have demolished your assertion that heterosexual intercourse is a recent development originating from the “porn” industry?

You haven't demolished anything. Heterosexual anal sex is a relatively recent development and its rise is as a direct result of pornography and the homosexual slant in the media in the last 5 to 10 years. The cultural Marxists are in control of the porn industry whose aim is to mainstream homosexual practices. You Bear, are sympathetic to their cause and we will never reach common ground as I'm not stupid or weak willed enough to fall for your lies.

Going back to the original point, why don't you drop Makow a line and put your points to him, what are you afraid of?

I won't continue going around in circles with you, my view is fixed. Have a good day

Tara · 01-07-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Firstly safe anal sex among heterosexuals or homosexuals is nothing shocking or horrible. Secondly heteroexuals can have vaginal sex, homosexual men cannot, hence heterosexuals would do it less regularly. It would probably be something special among couples.

It is shocking and it is horrible. Only men with homosexual tendencies or those who have been influenced by homosexual themed pornography would even consider partaking in such a degenerate act. Trying to convince themselves it is something 'special' doesn't make it so.

The Bear · 01-07-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tara

You haven't demolished anything. Heterosexual anal sex is a relatively recent development and its rise is as a direct result of pornography and the homosexual slant in the media in the last 5 to 10 years.

LOL!

Shows how little YOU know! Anal sex has been used for millennia both as a “variation on a theme” and as a means of providing contraception. What’s more it’s by no means just a “male” taste, the expression “wop it me transom, me ‘ansome” isn’t reserved to Portsmouth girls!

You do realise that a woman can achieve an intense orgasm from engaging in anal intercourse I assume?

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Originally Posted by Tara

The cultural Marxists are in control of the porn industry whose aim is to mainstream homosexual practices.

LOL! The aim of the porn industry is to make money.

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Originally Posted by Tara

You Bear, are sympathetic to their cause and we will never reach common ground as I'm not stupid or weak willed enough to fall for your lies.

LOL! Won't accept that you're wrong about a great deal more like!

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Originally Posted by Tara

Going back to the original point, why don't you drop Makow a line and put your points to him, what are you afraid of?

Why should I engage with a disgraced homophobic bigot?

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Originally Posted by Tara

I won't continue going around in circles with you, my view is fixed. Have a good day

It's a shame you're views are fixed. It's called bigotry by the way.

BonnieDundee · 01-07-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tara

It is shocking and it is horrible. Only men with homosexual tendencies or those who have been influenced by homosexual themed pornography would even consider partaking in such a degenerate act. Trying to convince themselves it is something 'special' doesn't make it so.

And only someone living in the 19th century would consider it a shocking and horrible act and yet not be able to put forward any logical arguments for this.

BonnieDundee · 01-07-2008, 11:32 AM

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The cultural Marxists are in control of the porn industry whose aim is to mainstream homosexual practices.

Marxists consider pornography to be exploitation. It is the supreme example of the alienation of one's body.

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