kernow

I'm totally against Gays adopting Children! In my opinion a child needs a Father and a Mother of opposite sex for a balanced upbringing! Of course there will be bad parents there always have been. Are Gays always good parents? Why would Gays want children anyway?

Anthony Butcher

Surely two parents would be preferable to a single parent generally speaking?

No. The point was that what really matters for a child is how good the parents are, rather than whether they are gay or married.

Being gay doesn't mean having a personality removal. Sexual preference doesn't, presumably, influence maternal/paternal instincts.

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kernow

(a) Of course two parents are preferable, but not same sex!

(b) No one knows whether people will make good parents or not until after the children are born.

(b) Barring Gays from adopting Children at least halves the possibilities of a disaster for the child.

I was born short, through no fault of my own. People are born Gay through no fault of their own! I can never play in a Basket Ball league, tough!

Anthony Butcher

Given the requirement for gay parents to go through fostering/adoption, there is indeed a prerequisite suitability that heterosexual parents don't have to go through, unless they are also fostering/adopting. Foster parents have to go through tests and training before they can take on a child.

The only issue that I can see is with societal problems. For a child raised in a gay couple I doubt very much whether they would have any issues at all - it will only be other kids teasing that might cause a problem. Kids get teased for just about everything anyway, so I am not convinced that it is a big deal.

If you are suggesting that gay people would make worse parents (ignoring societal bigotry), I am not sure what you are basing that on.

No, but you can raise kids. I really can't see what the issue is in principle. What are the prime requirements for being a parent:

1. Loving the child
2. Being able to provide for the child (financially)
3. Providing a good education

Which of these do you think that a gay couple couldn't provide because they are gay?

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kernow

I agree , your 1,2 and 3 are essential in bringing up a child, but they still need a balance that only a Mum and Dad of the opposite sex can provide!

Roland

If a child is adopted by two gay parents it's fate is sealed before it has even started. It will spend it's entire child hood being bullied and picked on. As a result of this will have problems in education, identity and may well absolutely resent it's adopted parents. It is a recipe for disaster.

The child would not only have the problem of coming to terms with the situation with it's real parents but would also have the situation of dealing with it's adopted parents.

You can well make the argument that a normal couple may not make good adopted parents but at least society would have done it's best to start it in as natural surroundings as possible.

Children should not be for social engineering experiments ever.

Anthony Butcher

You could say exactly the same about having parents who are fat, poor, ginger, chavs, posh, wealthy, ugly or Labour voters. Kids get teased because their parents' car is old or because they don't wear the right trainers. One kid at my prep school was constantly teased because his mum had a big bum. As I recall, it wasn't even that big.

Having two loving parents, gay or not, is exactly what a kid needs to get over the teasing...

I just don't see this rampant homophobia that you think will plague their lives. I live in an area with a big mix of backgrounds and wealth, and I don't recall seeing or hearing any genuine homophobia (and we do have a few gay couples around).

I completely agree. I think that what we are disagreeing about is whether it is social engineering any longer.

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Darth Bane

I see both sides of this debate. To allow a homosexual couple with the rights to adop is like perpetuating a cycle that can get out of hand. For example, a child brough into this world would think it a societies responsability to accept them and think that it's a god practice to be with the same sex. As we all know two sexes cannot have kids naturally. However, it might decrease the population sizes unless immigration says otherwise. What us americans and britainish peoples should do is decrease immigration and not support pregnancies through the government. We should in practice is to stop early teenage pregnancies in a perfect world. What is the definition of normal anyways? I have no problem with the same sex adopting children at least they have somewheres to go where as the normal family of the nuclear family is accustomed to reprocrating themselves. I think people want kids to pass thier own Panderora's box genetical lines with thier x and y chromosomes to thrive. Society is not fully ready for this universal idea of homosexuals of having children until then it won't change!

Anthony Butcher

This is completely irrelevant to your point, but I think that parenthood should be regarded as a very serious responsibility, not a right. Parents unable to properly provide for their child are in serious breach of that responsibility.

I am pretty sure that kids don't learn to be gay...

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Roland

I am genuinly not homophobic I can't imagine any one wanting to bat for the wrong team it's just the way they are born.

I've had friends who are gay and it really dose not bother me unless they start kissing which sorry but turns my stomach unless of cause they're lesbians which is another story all together.

I just think in the eyes of many who want to change society that gay adoption should be promoted in that one day it will be seen as acceptable which may be one day it would but as far as i'm concerned end's do not justify means.

It would at the end of the day amount to social engineering and the children that would go through the social adjustment stage would have one hell of a hard time.

Yes kid's taunt each other but the kind of taunting those kids would get would be at another level.