Akria

Could you not then say something like this, though?
If there is appetite for referendum on the EU, let the calls for one come from within the individuals rather than trying to persuade them.

It's the same thing, after all, just on a smaller scale.

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Westcountryman

No, the equivalent example in your case would be the United States or similiar calling for a referendum on the EU. It is perfectly acceptable for citizens - in your example inside the EU - to try and persuade others of the merits of their position. After all, this is what politics is all about.

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Thank you for agreement on this Kernow.

Alex McKee

That makes no sense, Akria.

Members of the anti-EU movement in this country are citizens of the UK. The UK is affected by membership of the EU and we all pay taxes. Tax-payers have a right to demand that their hard earned money is not funneled off into an undemocratic, unaccountable and corrupt organisation.

The UN has no right whatsoever to "suggest" the UK holds a referendum on the EU or any other issue, such as the Monarchy.

Of course they have, they've made a recommendation to our government in an official report. Clearly they think it is their business or they would not have done it.

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Britannist

Exactly.

And one of the rules of the United Nations (UN) is non-interference by one nation in the internal affairs of another. The UN should also work to the spirit of that rule.

BonnieDundee

Are you saying you never register opinions about the politics or society of other countries? Because I sure do and it is much the same.

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Akria

It makes perfect sense, because it is exactly the same thing.

The UN (the anti-EU campaigners) makes a suggestion (campaign) that a referendum be held (for a referendum to be held) on the monarchy (on the EU).
They make this suggestion to (they target their campaign at) the British people (the British people).

Some groups in British society (some individuals in British society) are offended by the suggestion (are offended by the campaign) because they feel the UN should mind its own business (because they feel the anti-EU campaigners should mind their own business) and let them decide if they want to hold a referendum (and let them decide if they want to hold a referendum) rather than make any suggestions (rather than hold their campaign).

The only difference is, as I said, the scale.
Instead of the suggestion being made to the UK, as in the UN case, the suggestion is being made to individuals in the EU case.

The anti-EU campaigners have no right whatsoever to suggest to individuals that a referendum should be held on the EU, or any other thing.

I don't agree. I make suggestions to people all the time, but I don't think their matters are any of my concern.

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Roland

Have the EU suggested we have a referendum on the EU?

They are s*** stirring. For those that believe in one world government and the destruction of sovereign nations our royal family is a bit of a stumbling block as our parliamentary system all be it mainly symbolic requires an elected and unelected body to pass laws.

All be it I'm not exactly a royalist I would give them my support all the way.

Besoeker

I discussed the merits of keeping the royals on another forum a couple of years ago.
My thoughts then were much as they are now. The civil list is a cost that is vastly more than offset by tourism. How much of this is because of the Monarchy is difficult to determine but even if it is a very small percentage the royals are more than paid for. And I know from my American friends that it is a big draw.
And Charlie pays taxes on his agricultural ambitions in the west country.
And Lizzie on her equine activities.

At a purely mercenary level, there may be merit it keeping them.

Sheila

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The UN hasn't made any recommendation about the UK having a referendum on anything. Sri Lanka recommended it. It is listed in the UN report (along with over 20 others from other countries) with the following proviso:

"All conclusions and/or recommendations contained in this report reflect the position of the submitting State(s) . . . They should not be construed as endorsed by the Working Group as a whole."

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