UN: Should Britain scrap Royals?

Hunter · 15-06-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

I believe that it is time for a change and that the Windsor’s should be pensioned off though the prospect of having a creature like Mrs. Blair as “First Lady” appals me, and not just because it makes for an oxymoron.

Instead an elected head of state AND a written constitution seems to be wall past the date that it should have been introduced.

Having got that off my chest what I also very firmly believe is that the UN should be dismantled and the sooner the better to be replaced with an international body in which the present trading in votes for favours is at least minimised.

The UN was constituted for the world during WW2 and in spite of having evolved since then its evolution has been driven by politics rather than need.

What is now required is an international body that is put together with charters based on what is needed today.

What is there today can’t be changed, it’s got too much baggage.

Presently the UN is part of “The Problem”. What we need is an international body that is part of providing solutions.

Bit of a shame it won’t happen though unless something like that which saw the demise of the League of Nations comes along, and it’s looking increasingly like that’s what’s going to soon happen.

Go back to the cesspit you came from and take your Communist garbage with you.

I'd rather see the scumbags in Parliament got rid of than the Monachy. They would cost us a LOT less than the windbags presently in Parliament.

Britannist · 15-06-2008, 04:02 PM

We are a Royalist state; have already been a republic (Cromwell); rejected unwanted republicanism (thank goodness) and brought back The Crown and Monarch.

LONG LIVE THE MONARCHY.

HM · 15-06-2008, 04:15 PM

What purpose does the monarchy actually serve in today's Britain, other than to look nice on postcards and go travelling around the world on behalf of the taxpayer?

22ANDUK · 15-06-2008, 04:16 PM

I could go on all day with a list of points about keeping the Monarchy.

Nonetheless I will focus on the UN.

Surely the UN, once again, has proved itself the weak, effette organisation it always has been by making a big play of a small and soft issue. Rather than the 'Council' tackle the real issues such as Saudi Arabia's oppression of women and non-Muslims...oh wait, Saudi Arabia is a member of the Council!

I wonder if the Saudi's will hold a referendum soon to gauge public opinion on the ruling Saudi family dictatorship? Or the Sri Lankan delegate would be interested in allowing the Tamil population a seperate home-nation?

The UN should stay out.

HM · 15-06-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 22ANDUK

I could go on all day with a list of points about keeping the Monarchy.

Nonetheless I will focus on the UN.

Surely the UN, once again, has proved itself the weak, effette organisation it always has been by making a big play of a small and soft issue. Rather than the 'Council' tackle the real issues such as Saudi Arabia's oppression of women and non-Muslims...oh wait, Saudi Arabia is a member of the Council!

The UN should stay out.

I agree with your stuff about Iran and Syria's criticisms - they are rubbish and the UN shouldn't air their views if it recognises that.

But I don't see what's wrong with them suggesting that we hold a referendum. Theoretically those who believe the monarchy is widely supported and any UKIPers who support direct democracy and the monarchy should be praising the UN, as they have nothing to fear and holding referenda on big issues (I'd say this is a pretty big one) is in line with their views.

Westcountryman · 15-06-2008, 04:40 PM

UkipHM, it's not the referendum I am opposed to, it's the fact the UN sees fit to dictate policy to the UK (ie. "You should hold a referendum on the issue").

This makes it no better than the EU, another organisation that sees fit to tell us how to govern.

If there is appetite for a referendum, let the calls for one come from within the Country, not from outside.

HM · 15-06-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

UkipHM, it's not the referendum I am opposed to, it's the fact the UN sees fit to dictate policy to the UK (ie. "You should hold a referendum on the issue").

This makes it no better than the EU, another organisation that sees fit to tell us how to govern.

If there is appetite for a referendum, let the calls for one come from within the Country, not from outside.

The UN didn't necessarily "dictate policy" or "tell us how to govern", they only made a suggestion that we 'think' about the idea of a referendum. But

that foreign bodies shouldn't try governing us or directing us how to govern.

kernow · 15-06-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

We are a Royalist state; have already been a republic (Cromwell); rejected unwanted republicanism (thank goodness) and brought back The Crown and Monarch.

LONG LIVE THE MONARCHY.

I agree 100%!

Akria · 15-06-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I sort of agree, it is only the registration of opinion which we do on this board about things that aren't exactly our business all the time.

Are you pro-EU?

I'm neither pro nor anti-EU, because frankly I don't care about the EU. There are much more important things (the abstract

).
I do want a referendum on various EU issues, but I wouldn't vote in them myself, and I'm sure as hell not going to campaign for one.

Akria · 15-06-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

We are a Royalist state; have already been a republic (Cromwell); rejected unwanted republicanism (thank goodness) and brought back The Crown and Monarch.

LONG LIVE THE MONARCHY.

On the other hand, it has been a while since Cromwell. Quite a while indeed, in fact. Like, three and a half centuries.
Is it not possible that opinions may have changed?
And, of course, we are speaking only of the English here. Today there is a United Kingdom, with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland also deserving of a say.

I'm pro-monarchy by default, but if a majority of people want a republic then that's fine by me. Who am I to argue with a majority over what is not really an important issue?

15-06-2008, 04:02 PM	#22 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Royalist state, republic, Cromwell, The Crown, Monarchy We are a Royalist state; have already been a republic (Cromwell); rejected unwanted republicanism (thank goodness) and brought back The Crown and Monarch. LONG LIVE THE MONARCHY. Last edited by Britannist; 15-06-2008 at 04:05 PM.

15-06-2008, 04:15 PM	#23 (permalink)
HM Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 933 Party: None	What purpose does the monarchy actually serve in today's Britain, other than to look nice on postcards and go travelling around the world on behalf of the taxpayer? __________________ Respice post te; hominem te esse memento!

15-06-2008, 04:16 PM	#24 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	I could go on all day with a list of points about keeping the Monarchy. Nonetheless I will focus on the UN. Surely the UN, once again, has proved itself the weak, effette organisation it always has been by making a big play of a small and soft issue. Rather than the 'Council' tackle the real issues such as Saudi Arabia's oppression of women and non-Muslims...oh wait, Saudi Arabia is a member of the Council! I wonder if the Saudi's will hold a referendum soon to gauge public opinion on the ruling Saudi family dictatorship? Or the Sri Lankan delegate would be interested in allowing the Tamil population a seperate home-nation? The UN should stay out. Last edited by 22ANDUK; 15-06-2008 at 04:18 PM.

15-06-2008, 04:40 PM	#26 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	UkipHM, it's not the referendum I am opposed to, it's the fact the UN sees fit to dictate policy to the UK (ie. "You should hold a referendum on the issue"). This makes it no better than the EU, another organisation that sees fit to tell us how to govern. If there is appetite for a referendum, let the calls for one come from within the Country, not from outside. __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

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