Besoeker

Indeed it should. What's sh1tty is that he could not get his Imperial only scales calibrated.
His customers evidently wanted Imperial, he could have contracted with them to do so.......except that he wasn't permitted to have scales so calibrated.

Westcountryman

Ah yes, now that I can agree with. Shopkeepers should be free to use either imperial or metric.

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Besoeker

Many products are dual marked whatever their origin.
Fair point. I have never needed to make any measurements in hectares. Or Pascals. Maybe you have.[/quote]
My sweet wife likes to cook. She often uses old recipies where the quantities are given in Imperial. Sure, we can do the conversions. But that is no really good reason to ditch Imperial.

I think it has to be charged in metric.

Don't misunderstand me. SI is generally simpler. There are fewer subdivisions of units. Relationships in engineering units generally don't require conversion factors.

It just doesn't sit well with me that seller and buyer have to accept units that neither is
comfortable with.

Wessexman

No, I don't want minister abitrarily doing this.

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Wessexman

In the Magna Carta and ancient English law juries could nullify laws they did not think should apply or be on the books. The process is still used in some American states, I think the jury should this and supercede the act.

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Populist Lee

The Trial of William Penn set the precedent.

William Penn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See section: Persecutions.

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Wessexman

That is interesting to see where the American tradition came from.

It was an ancient de facto custom in English common law, as old as the Jury system itself. Unfortunately the state has never been too keen on it for obvious reasons and has tried to do away with it from the middle ages, but not completely suceeding until modern times.

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Tom Collier

Yes, I agree, juries are an ancient bar against the application of tyrannical laws or application of reasonable law in a tyrannical way. American leaders revived and renewed this and other traditions to effect change and removal of the monarchy. However because the jury has exclusive province as to findings of fact the tradition does not need legal basis as such. It simply returns a not guilty verdict. As the deliberations are private the rationale is also, though ofcourse defence cousel of course might appeal to a sense of natural justice rather than or as well as strict application of law. A not guilty verdict cannot be interrogated although a guilty one might be if there was misdirection or, occassionally, questions from the jury that suggested incomprehension or inconsistent verdicts. There was an increase in jury/establishment conflict in the 18th c when juries were reluctant to convict 15 year old paupers of stealing sheep if they would then be hanged. This eventually led to reform, a reduction of capital offences and the option of lesser charges for many acts.

The ending of double jeopody is the first step towards undermining acquital by jury. If the prosecution could appeal up on this (as opposed to retrial by jury) as well as sentence (as they can sometimes do) this would be sad. I would also predict the govt keeping its pet projects eg ID cards away from jury trials. Magistrates were hardly even trusted by Blair (see on the spot fines).

As to the Aliens Act it is ofcourse superceeded by later acts and implied if not explicit repeal. Later acts give free movement of people with in the EU. It would be good though to have control of our borders. In the meantime there is some discretion even in the EU to deport EU nationals for reasons of national or social interest which could be used a bit more.

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