tito

Unless they threaten us...

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The Bear

The British residents of Gibraltar will simply wake up one morning and like the Spanish realise that they along with the Southern Irish and the Northern Irish AND the Scots AND the Welsh and all the other piffant little “countries” and realise that they are nothing more than at best states of the USE.

As for the fourteen or so little islands, they WERE of value but today with the exception of the Falklands because of its potential as an oil producer, are of no use to Britain whatsoever and are actually a simply a net cost to us.

The piracy that is taking place is not being affected by the Navy nor could it be.

The days of The Empire are LONG gone and the piracy is on goods being transported not from parts of the British Empire but from overseas nations.

The US were content to provide arms to both sides in WW2 until they were dragged following Pearl.

One reason for the US NOT getting involved until they were brought in as a result of the axis between Japan and Germany was the unwillingness of the MAJORITY of the American people to get involved.

Had Japan not been an Axis power it is probable that the US would have limited its actions to the Pacific.

Certainly the issue of the taking of territory that had been a part of Germany, Prussia, Russia, and Austria to create a modern state of Poland as part of the Treaty of Versailles was a key factorresulting in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and that resulted within a week with the Polish Campaign by Germany.

There is however a strong argument that the retaking of what had been parts of Germany etc. was in fact the rightful restoration of lands to the nations of which they were a part as was also the invasion / liberation of the Sudetenland.

Remember, history is written by the victors.

IF the argument that Germany et al should NOT have tried to restore their territory, then that opens the possibility of raising very interesting questions regarding both Israel and Iraq not to mention present day Turkish borders.

If that is what I was doing then I would agree but I argue that I am not.

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BonnieDundee

Defence perhaps but "defending our interests abroad" means sticking our nose in other people's business and usually causing more trouble than it is worth not to mention being a menance to our own liberty.

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BonnieDundee

Well the Tories at the period, as always, were made up of many factions much like the Whigs. But the constitutional or Clarendonian tories of 1641 and the similar, later "country" sections of the party with their attachment to Church and King(usually in that order.) and the "ancient" constitution of England were quite opposed to standing armies particularly after their experience with Cromwell and his standing army. Of course Charles II was less against standing armies but the "country" section of the Tories were always suspicious of them as they were foreign wars.

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g hall

And at that point what do you think will happen ?

These are they and I don't think that they are a net cost for the value we get
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A life time ago and we still have the Commonwealth of Nations and if we had a proper Navy it could do a lot

Prove it

Funny that the yanks were already defending themselves against the Germans

That's ok then but on that basis you can keep going back until it all belongs to the neanderthals

Shame you appear not to read it then although in fact books have been written by the losers as well
Are you going to give the USA back to the Native American Indians - thought not
And you can argue black is white but you will be wrong - again

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The Bear

Rather sooner than later based on the state of the British economy.

LOL! I certainly do! With the possible exception of The Falklands, WHAT value?

But we don’t and we couldn’t afford to anymore. The Commonwealth is a joke. A thing well past its sell by date and a thing to disband sooner rather than later.

Let’s start with Henry Ford and his supplying Germany with military equipment, or on the subject of Ford how about the use of slave labour at its German plant before the attack on Pearl but after the start of war between Britain ad Nazi Germany.

Then let’s move on to ITT, Coca Cola, IBM, in fact the list just goes on and on.

Good business if you can get it. It’s all there to be found and verified by orthogonal searches.

ITT is particularly interesting since ITT took n million dollars in compensation form the US government for damage caused to its German factories during WW2.

But not having declared a state of war, limited only to defending shipping convoys that contained American vessels, and charging us the earth for every item that was sent to us for use in the war just as US companies were charging our enemies for every item sent to them.

WW1 was a watershed. The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and the punitive measures taken against Germany set the scene for what was soon to follow and what is still taking place today.

Actually I believe that the genocide and theft of what is now North America is amongst the greatest crimes that have been perpetrated on an indigenous people anywhere.

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Mikeuk

Yes that's true, but in the end the 'Highflyers' won and Clarendon was banished.

It was on that memorable occasion that his enemy the Duchess of Portsmouth insulted Hyde as he departed and he turned to her and declared.

'Madam, if you live, you shall grow old.'

g hall

Ford and General Motors protested that they had no influence over wartime events in Germany which from a multinational level is I expect true how would they be allowed to communicate with the plants also I suspect that the NAZI's would have simply commandeered the plants anyway as for what happened before 1939 again I suspect that the local directors would have seen that they could increase profits and of course if they were German they would have been loyal to their country
I would guess that many other people would have been happy to work at these and other plants after sept 1939 to earn money especially if their ancestry was German

The CEO of ITT was named Sosthenes Behn whose ancestry was Franco German of course this is the problem with capitalism it's all about the bottom line and profit.
Same with IBM and on that point it's why I'm against ID cards
The problem is once you have a subsidiary in another country that country's nationals will increasingly run it and of course it is to be expected that certain nationalistic traits will shine through to think otherwise is to be either stupid or naive

Capitalism !

You and the rest of us can blame the French for that

Why do I get the feeling that you are anti American ? still at least unlike the Russians and Chinese they have a liberal democracy - is that what affronts your socialist control freakery

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British-Conservatism

Ohh he would but only when the EU is an Islamic state in 40 years.
But the left never see ahead in a realistic manner.

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Harbinger

What a touching epiitaph to a soldier who gave his life.