England at its most Nationalistic in 30 years

Britannist · 26-04-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

.....political correctness and left wing dogma since.

As British Conservatism writes in a posting earlier to this thread, the pack of europhiles and leftists that make up the anti-British ruling 'elite' have been trying to force-feed the people of these islands politically correct hogwash since at least the 1960s.

These leftists have infiltrated the media, education, the press, many Churches, the 'Green' movement, trade unions and most political parties in the Commons.

They hate our flag and country and seek to destroy our national identity and take our freedoms away from us.

They represent a tiny minority and must be seen off.

BonnieDundee · 26-04-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

We don't seek anything jingoistic - but we want the attempt by the politically correct ruling 'elite' to try to put and keep everyone in these islands 'on a guilt trip' about being British to stop.

That is fine, but jingoistic patriotism is on the rise. For instance it is very much the fashion in Australia these days.

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Earlier this week it was St. George's Day (England's national day) but no one on television wore the English rose. I think it is the same on St. Patrick's Day, St. Andrew's Day and St. David's day (at least regarding television programmes put out across the UK). Saints Days of the four parts of the UK are mostly ignored by the national broadcast media. Why?

Perhaps they thought that a more modern approach was needed? Saints don't have the same pull that they once did particularly when they are from Turkey or Palestine. The French celebrate Bastille day not so much St.Denis' day or even Joan of Arcs saint's day. The only reason St. Patrick's day is popular is because it has become an international drinking holiday. Perhaps an actual England or Scotland or UK national day would be better.

Personally I prefer regional feeling anyway, I think our regional famous forefather's or events should be given just as much celebration. I'd prefer to celebrate the raising of Prince Charle's standard at Glenfinnan not far from were I was born rather than St.Andrew's day. It is about real feelings for a real landscape I knew intimately and people I knew, not worship of an abstraction.

BonnieDundee · 26-04-2008, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

As British Conservatism writes in a posting earlier to this thread, the pack of europhiles and leftists that make up the anti-British ruling 'elite' have been trying to force-feed the people of these islands politically correct hogwash since at least the 1960s.

These leftists have infiltrated the media, education, the press, many Churches, the 'Green' movement, trade unions and most political parties in the Commons.

They hate our flag and country and seek to destroy our national identity and take our freedoms away from us.

They represent a tiny minority and must be seen off.

They are quite industrious then it seems. I don't find nationalism a decent alternative to what you are talking about. It is pure collectivist worhship of an abstraction, it stifles individualism because the nation becomes more important than the individual. What is needed dignified feelings for our geographical and cultural context, starting with the largest feelings for the family and broadening right up to your country but with declining intensity.

MVW · 27-04-2008, 11:57 PM

I agree that nationalism and patriotism is collectivist ****. It defies reason and is very dangerous in so many ways. "The flag" is much the same.

Akria · 28-04-2008, 12:02 AM

Not sure about the flag bit (I view the flag simply as an identifier of the nation rather than the people) but I agree with you about nationalism and patriotism being dangerous, MVW.

I would much rather that people embraced their humanity and, eventually, their sapience and mere fact of living, rather than their countries. Nations are useful things, and certainly the best option available if the alternatives are world government or global anarchy, but they are not things to be proud of.

Akria · 28-04-2008, 12:04 AM

More relevant to the actual topic, I get the impression that nationalism, for England or for the UK, has gone down. Certainly my school friends have very little patriotism or nationalism in them.

BonnieDundee · 28-04-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MVW

I agree that nationalism and patriotism is collectivist ****. It defies reason and is very dangerous in so many ways. "The flag" is much the same.

Humans reason is limited and we definitely have feelings for our homeland. However I agree that the jingoistic nationalism of America or the BNP is collectivist and also artificial, I personally think any such intense feelings for so large a thing as a country like Scotland and England is artificial.

MVW · 28-04-2008, 04:11 AM

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Humans reason is limited

Some more than others

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and we definitely have feelings for our homeland

I dont. I had to be born on some patch of land or I would have drowned.

Besides, underneath all that water there is only 1 piece of rock.

Fighting for the people of the country, I suppose........well, myself and the people I like, anyway.

BonnieDundee · 28-04-2008, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MVW

I dont. I had to be born on some patch of land or I would have drowned.

Besides, underneath all that water there is only 1 piece of rock.

Fighting for the people of the country, I suppose........well, myself and the people I like, anyway.

That is really what I meant by homeland, the region and local area we grew up in and its people. This is where I think it is more natural to have strong feelings for, although not of the intense, jingoistic kind. And then simply to have warm but gentle feelings for a nation such as England or Scotland.

28-04-2008, 12:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
Akria Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Grimsby, NELincs Posts: 2,477 Party: None	Not sure about the flag bit (I view the flag simply as an identifier of the nation rather than the people) but I agree with you about nationalism and patriotism being dangerous, MVW. I would much rather that people embraced their humanity and, eventually, their sapience and mere fact of living, rather than their countries. Nations are useful things, and certainly the best option available if the alternatives are world government or global anarchy, but they are not things to be proud of. __________________ I am getting very tired of people not reading my posts properly. Please do not reply to me unless you are sure you have not missed out the key points I am making and key words I am using. http://real-democracy.co.uk \| Admin and proud The commonality of mankind: If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?

28-04-2008, 12:04 AM	#16 (permalink)
Akria Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Grimsby, NELincs Posts: 2,477 Party: None	More relevant to the actual topic, I get the impression that nationalism, for England or for the UK, has gone down. Certainly my school friends have very little patriotism or nationalism in them. __________________ I am getting very tired of people not reading my posts properly. Please do not reply to me unless you are sure you have not missed out the key points I am making and key words I am using. http://real-democracy.co.uk \| Admin and proud The commonality of mankind: If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?

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27-04-2008, 11:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
MVW Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester , UK Posts: 37	I agree that nationalism and patriotism is collectivist ****. It defies reason and is very dangerous in so many ways. "The flag" is much the same.