Britannist

At what point before your birth did you decide you were a baby?

Scans show that within a very short period of time (weeks not months) the unborn baby already has limbs, head, eyes, mouth and nose.

Even Steel, who got the vile Abortion Act through the Commons, wants the abortion upper time limit now cut.

For_England

Can you correct this because I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Did you mean 'where to live', 'when to leave' etc?

Cleopatra

I find your old fashioned views very difficult to swallow. If a child of yours came home at the age of fourteen and told you she was pregnant and wanted to abort the child, your refusal would seem monstrous to me.

I think you may well be under the impression that women have abortions willy nilly. I think you are under the impression that women do not feel a sense of what could have been if they continued with the pregnancy. I know of a woman who conceived three months after an abortion as she felt that she had made the wrong choice, she comforts herself in the fact that the child she has now would not have existed had she not had the abortion. I know of somebody very close to me who had an abortion as she was advised to by doctors due to a severe virus she caught in early pregnancy, she does not regret the abortion at all, she is sad that she had to do it but did not want to bring a child into the world that had an 80% chance of being severely disabled.

Is the latter in the wrong? Could you have gone through with it? You would not be able to answer that because you will never have to go through with it. Until you have been in that situation then you cannot so readily judge a woman's decision to abort a child. It is very easy for you to condemn as you will never know how difficult it is to make this decision, to continue a pregnancy and be responsible for a life.

Your views appear to me to show that it is not right for a woman to have relations with a man until she is married. Do you have the same views on men?

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tito

Sorry, I meant when.

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Britannist

99% of UK abortions are NOT carried out for medical reasons. The original intention of the Abortion Act was not that abortion mostly become a form of "delayed contraception" - the disgraceful situation we have now.

As for "extremely difficult" decision (quote above) - contraception is widely available: there is no excuse for non-medical abortions.

NHS money which could and should be spent on the sick, elderly, on heart and cancer patients and on emergency surgery is having to spent on some females who wish to end the lives of their unborn children because "it doesn't fit in with" their "career progression".

I am against abortion - and I certainly don't want the taxes I pay spent on this sort of thing. The NHS was set up to help the needy and sick - not to end the lives of the unborn babies of those who may have forgotten to take 'the pill'.

Britannist

It would be monstrous to end the life of the defenceless unborn child. Period.

It is not the fault of the unborn child that his/her Mother is 14 and the unborn child should not pay for the unusual circumstances of the pregnancy with his/her life.

For_England

Well I don't think the unborn child would think so. I think it would appreciate the chance to be born and have a life - whether in an adopted family or in its own.


Well I don't think we can build rules upon exceptions like this. That is a lose lose situation, however it is looked at.


Well you are now asking a question of morality - Wright has shown that biologically men are programmed to try to impregnate as many women as possible, but from a moral perspective, I would consider such behaviour as still being immoral. However I haven't brought morality into this. Traditional morals are not the easiest things in the world to keep, but they are the most beneficial for individuals, for society, and most importanly for children. That is why society should reinforce them, and still would if it weren't for the deliberate satotage of traditional morals by leftists, especially over the last fifty years.

Cleopatra

Firstly I agree with the time limit being cut. A baby born at 20 weeks can survive, I think the limit should be cut to 13 weeks. Secondly, have you ever heard of failed contraceptives? A woman receiving the contraceptive injection will not have periods, if a woman falls pregnant whilst using that then she may not know she is pregnant straight away, the contraceptive pill is 98% effective, condoms split, the morning after pill does not always work and the coil does not always work.

I can pretty much guarantee that these women are either lucky enough to have been in a stable marriage or cannot have children themselves. I can also pretty much guarantee that if their lives were at risk through pregnancy or if their child had severe disabilities they would change their tune. They may say they won't but the majority would.

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For_England

Well then yes, if someone takes someone in, then at the end of the day they can tell them when to leave. But they can't murder them at the kitchen table.

Britannist

Many Mothers who have abortions later regret their decision.

Abortion should not be allowed even in alleged cases such as those described in the quote above.

The disabled - including the unborn disabled - must be protected.

I want to live in a civilised society.