Are the British people stupid and deserve all they get?

Hartlepool · 30-12-2007, 11:31 AM

I like to think that an ANTI EU activist would and should do as they see fit if their party leadership is lacking.

Being a member does not require constant ongoing dumb obedience.

Westcountryman · 30-12-2007, 11:37 AM

Millenium3, I do not know what your gripe with UKIP is, but your constant derision is starting to get on my nerves.

The fact is that UKIP remains the leading force against the EU and is easily the most successful (you find me another anti-EU party that has representation at Westminster and European level). Frankly, all these ideas of an 'anti-EU' alliance that you and others have are nothing more than a pipe dream.

Millennium3 · 30-12-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

I like to think that an ANTI EU activist would and should do as they see fit if their party leadership is lacking.

Being a member does not require constant ongoing dumb obedience.

Yes I agree, however there are very real limits on what can be done in UKIP's name without the leaderships approval - as Phoenix appear to be experiencing.

Millennium3 · 30-12-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Millenium3, I do not know what your gripe with UKIP is, but your constant derision is starting to get on my nerves.

The fact is that UKIP remains the leading force against the EU and is easily the most successful (you find me another anti-EU party that has representation at Westminster and European level). Frankly, all these ideas of an 'anti-EU' alliance that you and others have are nothing more than a pipe dream.

Yes you are right. However I am stuck in no man's land. I have not renewed with UKIP because I am convinced, as I am convinced of anything, that UKIP leadership are not that committed to changing Britain's relationship with the EU - in fact the most reasonable explanation, to me, of their actions is that they have mostly/all become career politicians [like the rest] recognising that there is a good life to be had moaning about the EU, but not taking the necessary actions which give the best chance of change.

Don't worry, I may be dogged, but I am not a complete idiot - I will give up eventually. Unfortunately, for me, I see Britain's submergence into an undemocratic United States of Europe as a real disaster - more for my children than for me - so it might be a while before I let the matter go.

I am open to any other viable suggestions.

Hartlepool · 30-12-2007, 12:07 PM

M3,an activist is able to carry on with his fight with or without a party to direct him or allow him to do so.

An activist who has been frustrated by the lack of leadership within his party might just as well carry on with his own campaign.

He may be expelled but that would mean little to a determined activist who has recieved nothing in the form of backing,guidence or support from his leadership.

I will be "doing my own thing" beginning,Monday 7 January,2008 at 9am.

I mention ANTI-EU parties but without nameing any of them.

I am free to deliver the truth about the EU,(WITHOUT PARTY GUIDANCE AND TOTALLY UNCENSORED).

Millennium3 · 30-12-2007, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartlepool

M3,an activist is able to carry on with his fight with or without a party to direct him or allow him to do so.

An activist who has been frustrated by the lack of leadership within his party might just as well carry on with his own campaign.

He may be expelled but that would mean little to a determined activist who has recieved nothing in the form of backing,guidence or support from his leadership.

I will be "doing my own thing" beginning,Monday 7 January,2008 at 9am.

I mention ANTI-EU parties but without nameing any of them.

I am free to deliver the truth about the EU,(WITHOUT PARTY GUIDANCE AND TOTALLY UNCENSORED).

H - I look forward to 'Monday 7 January,2008 at 9am'!

Hartlepool · 30-12-2007, 12:18 PM

In a nutshell,IMHO,UKIP Leadership have let me down but this will not stop me from carrying on the fight which I will do on my own from now on.I will make and deliver my own "hard hitting and to the point" literature to the same 5/600 properties each ten day period.They are about to experience a period of enlightenment that is both factual and true with easy links for them to reference.

This is the way to go if you are serious about utilising the short time we have left to save the country.

2008? BRING IT ON!!

Abbey · 30-12-2007, 12:37 PM

The poll seems to have been set up wrongly.
Yes 3 Of Course 2 Certainly 1 these are all yes surely?

Alex McKee · 30-12-2007, 01:30 PM

mkpdavies set up the poll originally with all the different 'Yes' options. I simply added 2 extra options ('Not sure' and 'No').

mkpdavies · 30-12-2007, 02:14 PM

Sorry, I was just getting depressed at the usual lack of action from the British people.

At least the Yanks are having a go back.

View Poll Results: Are the British people stupid and deserve what is coming?
Yes	10	38.46%
Of course	2	7.69%
Certainly	1	3.85%
For sure	1	3.85%
Not sure	4	15.38%
No	8	30.77%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

30-12-2007, 11:37 AM	#22 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	Millenium3, I do not know what your gripe with UKIP is, but your constant derision is starting to get on my nerves. The fact is that UKIP remains the leading force against the EU and is easily the most successful (you find me another anti-EU party that has representation at Westminster and European level). Frankly, all these ideas of an 'anti-EU' alliance that you and others have are nothing more than a pipe dream. __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

30-12-2007, 02:14 PM	#30 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Sorry, I was just getting depressed at the usual lack of action from the British people. At least the Yanks are having a go back. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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30-12-2007, 11:31 AM	#21 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,645 Party: Other	I like to think that an ANTI EU activist would and should do as they see fit if their party leadership is lacking. Being a member does not require constant ongoing dumb obedience.

30-12-2007, 12:07 PM	#25 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,645 Party: Other	M3,an activist is able to carry on with his fight with or without a party to direct him or allow him to do so. An activist who has been frustrated by the lack of leadership within his party might just as well carry on with his own campaign. He may be expelled but that would mean little to a determined activist who has recieved nothing in the form of backing,guidence or support from his leadership. I will be "doing my own thing" beginning,Monday 7 January,2008 at 9am. I mention ANTI-EU parties but without nameing any of them. I am free to deliver the truth about the EU,(WITHOUT PARTY GUIDANCE AND TOTALLY UNCENSORED).

30-12-2007, 12:18 PM	#27 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,645 Party: Other	In a nutshell,IMHO,UKIP Leadership have let me down but this will not stop me from carrying on the fight which I will do on my own from now on.I will make and deliver my own "hard hitting and to the point" literature to the same 5/600 properties each ten day period.They are about to experience a period of enlightenment that is both factual and true with easy links for them to reference. This is the way to go if you are serious about utilising the short time we have left to save the country. 2008? BRING IT ON!!

30-12-2007, 12:37 PM	#28 (permalink)
Abbey Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Posts: 41	The poll seems to have been set up wrongly. Yes 3 Of Course 2 Certainly 1 these are all yes surely?

30-12-2007, 01:30 PM	#29 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,661	mkpdavies set up the poll originally with all the different 'Yes' options. I simply added 2 extra options ('Not sure' and 'No').