Biometric fingerprint trial in Germany (of all places).

IceDragon · 22-11-2007, 01:06 AM

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Fingerprint billing for Germans

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Specially registered Edeka shoppers can pay by placing their finger on a checkout scanner, avoiding the need for cash or payment cards.

So in the future you won't just have to worry about your card being taken off you, muggers will probably carry around secateurs in the future to remove your finger/s.

I wonder if they ever thought about that?

Westcountryman · 22-11-2007, 03:37 AM

Dear bank...please cancel my fingerprint as my finger was stolen...

NoMoreEUSSR · 22-11-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by IceDragon

I wonder if they ever thought about that?

I don't think the scanners will read a severed finger!

Phil Sheldon · 22-11-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IceDragon

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Fingerprint billing for Germans

So in the future you won't just have to worry about your card being taken off you, muggers will probably carry around secateurs in the future to remove your finger/s.

I wonder if they ever thought about that?

The Germans have a good track record for processing large numbers of people-without any payments.

Little Englander (sour) · 22-11-2007, 01:06 PM

A bit naughty!.

IceDragon · 22-11-2007, 08:00 PM

Germany has no problem with using historical reference to have a go at us, so a fair point I say.

gimlet · 22-11-2007, 08:11 PM

From the registar

Did anyone see the Mythbusters episode where they investigated Fingerprint scanning locks? IIRC the old severed finger trick was so far down the list of ways to crack these things that they didn't even get round to it.

They demonstrated how to get through them: First obtain the fingerprint. The two methods were the CSI stalwart of offering the "mark" a cup of water, then retrieving the fingerprinted cup from the bin. The other method was to go straight to the scanner, where your mark regularly leaves his print. Develop the print with your common or garden fingerprint kit.

On some locks it was possible to put a piece of blank paper over the scanner, and press a finger on it. The scanner would read the residual (enhanced) finger print and grant access.

For most of the locks, however, this didn't work. So they took a copy of the prints with the fingerprint kit, and the sticky plastic card. Scanned the card, Photoshopped it to enhance the lines, printed it out. Placed the printout on the lock scanner, put their own finger on the paper, for pressure / heat / a pulse. Every lock was opened using this method.

Severed fingers are Hollywood Security. It's just for dramatic purposes and character development. It has no place in the real world, or for real crimes. It's far too much hassle for the bad guys when there is a cleaner, easier and lower-sentence alternative.

mkpdavies · 23-11-2007, 11:51 AM

Just don't use the shop or just the "service".

I don't care if people want to volunteer for this, it's when they try to force it on us all we have to worry.

C_steam · 23-11-2007, 08:17 PM

Dyson's R&D HQ in malmesbury has thumbprint access.

John Carter · 23-11-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gimlet

Severed fingers are Hollywood Security. It's just for dramatic purposes and character development. It has no place in the real world, or for real crimes. It's far too much hassle for the bad guys when there is a cleaner, easier and lower-sentence alternative.

Do the bad guys know this?

I mean, they're not the sharpest tools in the shed, are they?

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22-11-2007, 01:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	A bit naughty!.

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IceDragon Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,048	Germany has no problem with using historical reference to have a go at us, so a fair point I say.

22-11-2007, 08:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 836	From the registar Did anyone see the Mythbusters episode where they investigated Fingerprint scanning locks? IIRC the old severed finger trick was so far down the list of ways to crack these things that they didn't even get round to it. They demonstrated how to get through them: First obtain the fingerprint. The two methods were the CSI stalwart of offering the "mark" a cup of water, then retrieving the fingerprinted cup from the bin. The other method was to go straight to the scanner, where your mark regularly leaves his print. Develop the print with your common or garden fingerprint kit. On some locks it was possible to put a piece of blank paper over the scanner, and press a finger on it. The scanner would read the residual (enhanced) finger print and grant access. For most of the locks, however, this didn't work. So they took a copy of the prints with the fingerprint kit, and the sticky plastic card. Scanned the card, Photoshopped it to enhance the lines, printed it out. Placed the printout on the lock scanner, put their own finger on the paper, for pressure / heat / a pulse. Every lock was opened using this method. Severed fingers are Hollywood Security. It's just for dramatic purposes and character development. It has no place in the real world, or for real crimes. It's far too much hassle for the bad guys when there is a cleaner, easier and lower-sentence alternative.