Pope says International Agencies are promoting Abortion.

rjt · 20-11-2007, 03:28 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/wo...html?ref=world

The Holy Father restates his opposition to the slaughter of the innoncents and hits out at our rapidly increasing secular world and the way it has undermined family life.

Britannist · 21-11-2007, 08:00 PM

And it does him credit.

The appearance of scans showing what an unborn baby looks like at 8, 12, 16, and 24 weeks (i.e. clearly visible eyes, nose, mouth and limbs) has shaken the disgusting abortion industry who now fear a loss of business and a reduction in their profits as it becomes more clear what a dreadful thing abortion is.

For_England · 21-11-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/wo...html?ref=world

The Holy Father restates his opposition to the slaughter of the innoncents and hits out at our rapidly increasing secular world and the way it has undermined family life.

This has been going on for decades. Even innocuous charities like 'United Way' have been accused of this. People can defend the way charities and organizations use their money, but they must be accountable to those who provide it. These same international groups indebt third world nations, try to prevent them from having more children, wipe out traditional cultures to make way for cash crops and imports, probably invent aids as a way to wipe them out, and then call groups like the BNP racist!

Smidgey · 21-11-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/wo...html?ref=world

The Holy Father restates his opposition to the slaughter of the innoncents and hits out at our rapidly increasing secular world and the way it has undermined family life.

What does a celibate priest know about family life?

Britannist · 21-11-2007, 09:51 PM

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What does a celibate priest know about family life?

Priests come from families - as we all do. Priests also talk with and deal with family members just about every day of their work.

Smidgey · 21-11-2007, 10:06 PM

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Priests come from families - as we all do. Priests also talk with and deal with family members just about every day of their work.

I was being facetious.

However, I still think Ratzinger is morally wrong concerning many issues.

Britannist · 21-11-2007, 11:59 PM

What moral issues do you disagree with The Pope on, Smidgey?

Smidgey · 22-11-2007, 12:33 AM

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What moral issues do you disagree with The Pope on, Smidgey?

1) Not allowing abortions for raped women or when the life of the woman is in danger.
2) Euthanasia.
3) His odd dichotomy of universalism -vs- relativism, he has made a logical fallacy on this one.
4) His appalling definition of what he believes freedom is:

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The various forms of the dissolution of matrimony today, like free unions, trial marriages and going up to pseudo-matrimonies by people of the same sex, are rather expressions of an anarchic freedom that wrongly passes for true freedom of man.

He seems to think in this passage that freedom to do what one wishes so long as it does no harm others is anarchic freedom. This is liberty, not license and I believe he is conflating the two.

5) His opposition to condom use in Africa.
6) His criticism of capitalism and the free market.
7) His wish to strengthen ties with the vile Chinese government.
8) His criticism of secularism from a complete misunderstanding of secularism.
9) I disagree with his claim that homosexual activity is an 'intrinsic evil'.
10) His assumption that Christianity somehow has a monopoly on marriage.
11) His claim that gay adoption is a form of 'violence' against these children. I guess the pedophile priests in your organisation were violent too, Ratzinger?
12) His recent intrusion into Italian politics is as bad as the EU intruding into British politics. Either the Vatican is a separate state or it is not.
13) His criticism of the Harry Potter books was laughable (although these last two are not really moral issues, as such).

Some of these are issues he wishes that nations incorporated into their political laws, some, he holds, are up to personal morality. He can have whatever personal morality he wishes - I have nothing against this. I can disagree with it in the same way I will disagree with aspects of Utilitarianism or Virtue Ethics. However, when he supports political laws enforcing his twisted morality, this is sickening. The perfect example is euthanasia.

rjt · 22-11-2007, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Priests come from families - as we all do. Priests also talk with and deal with family members just about every day of their work.

Absoultely right, Preists are an important link for many familys in communitys, to suggest they know nothing about family life is riddiclous.

rjt · 22-11-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

1) Not allowing abortions for raped women or when the life of the woman is in danger.
2) Euthanasia.
3) His odd dichotomy of universalism -vs- relativism, he has made a logical fallacy on this one.
4) His appalling definition of what he believes freedom is:

He seems to think in this passage that freedom to do what one wishes so long as it does no harm others is anarchic freedom. This is liberty, not license and I believe he is conflating the two.

5) His opposition to condom use in Africa.
6) His criticism of capitalism and the free market.
7) His wish to strengthen ties with the vile Chinese government.
8) His criticism of secularism from a complete misunderstanding of secularism.
9) I disagree with his claim that homosexual activity is an 'intrinsic evil'.
10) His assumption that Christianity somehow has a monopoly on marriage.
11) His claim that gay adoption is a form of 'violence' against these children. I guess the pedophile priests in your organisation were violent too, Ratzinger?
12) His recent intrusion into Italian politics is as bad as the EU intruding into British politics. Either the Vatican is a separate state or it is not.
13) His criticism of the Harry Potter books was laughable (although these last two are not really moral issues, as such).

Some of these are issues he wishes that nations incorporated into their political laws, some, he holds, are up to personal morality. He can have whatever personal morality he wishes - I have nothing against this. I can disagree with it in the same way I will disagree with aspects of Utilitarianism or Virtue Ethics. However, when he supports political laws enforcing his twisted morality, this is sickening. The perfect example is euthanasia.

You can hardly expect the Pope to approve of Euthanasia, Homosexuality and Gay Adoption. He has a duty to speak out and offer moral guidance on these matters. What do you expect him to do open an abortion clinic in The Vatican, hand our Condoms during Mass.

You call his morality twisted, what is twisted about wanting to uphold the value of life and support the institution of Marraige , the devlauing of human life and marriage are key reasons why we have so many social problems in this country.

As for Gay Adoption that is another example of the devaluing of family life and this governments cruelty to The Catholic Church over the issue means now that many innoncent hildren will suffer

20-11-2007, 03:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Scans, abortion, unborn baby, disgusting abortion industry And it does him credit. The appearance of scans showing what an unborn baby looks like at 8, 12, 16, and 24 weeks (i.e. clearly visible eyes, nose, mouth and limbs) has shaken the disgusting abortion industry who now fear a loss of business and a reduction in their profits as it becomes more clear what a dreadful thing abortion is.

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