Smidgey

Indeed. He was a very moral man.

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SilverFalcon

And a Deist, it seems.

Brendan Scarborough

What dodge? I do not identify myself as a communitarian. And, I do not believe that anyone's political ideology can be defined with absolutes. I have some views which might be considered socialist or even liberal by a dyed in the wool conservative, and others which may be considered fascist by a bleeding heart multiculturalist 'we are the world' type.

I am familiar with the standard definitions though I do not keep an open tab to wiki or Oxford dictionary online -like some.

Why use obscure terminology such as 'communitarian' with which 99.999% of humanity have no acquaintance? This is BDf not Eton or Oxford.

This thread is about attitudes on immigration within the UK, not your favourite Mot du Jour.

Hopefully the 'take it outside' poll will have satisfactory results.

B.

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Smidgey

You dodged the question you are now answering. If you didn't think it was a dodge, why answer now?

Who said anything about communitarian values being absolutes. As far as I'm concerned it is an extremely broad church containing nationalism, socialism, communism, statism, and so forth. You yourself describe yourself as a nationalist, so even you define your opinion with what you call an 'absolute'. Although, I would argue that many (if not most) do not have the same 'absolute' definition of many of these terms as you seem to do.

Firstly, I don't think the word communitarian is obscure in the slightest.
Secondly, it is far easier to use the word communitarian than it is to say that you are a member or supporter of a cooperative or a collectivist community. I guess now I would should go on and define cooperative, collectivist and community? There is a reason we use words...

Of course, it still wasn't hyperbole.

Why use 'Mot du Jour'? It's extremely obscure and many people wont know what it means. It's French for crying out loud!

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SilverFalcon

I think Smidgey's winning this one.

Brendan Scarborough

Check, but not quite check mate. I write what comes to mind as I am writing -that stream of consciousness thing?

As for political orientations, I think you are well aware that words such as: Eurosceptic, Nationalism and the such have different meanings for different people. Some Eurosceptics wish to see a complete dissolution of the EU -I am in that camp- while others merely wish to see a degree of checks and balances put in place to limit EU prerogatives.

The word Nationalist has many definitions, and you have chosen to emphasise the multicult propagandist definition to suit your purposes. I use the designation 'Nationalist' principally to differentiate myself from a globalist. Globalism and Nationalism being the two principle competing ideologies of the contemporary era much as the struggle between the forces of Communism and Capitalism dominated the world stage for most of the 20th century.

I am just as keen to see the preservation of political independence and territorial sovereignty for the Tibetans as I am for the English or Irish. It is a simple matter of juxtaposition. Globalism vs Nationalism. I have no sympathy with the 19th century Nationalism of our forefathers, where the blood of a commoner was spent with as much prepossession by the Aristocracy as a Mark or Ruble. I simply do not relish the idea of living in a monocultural, monoracial, neo-Marxist Planetary Federation.

My political beliefs are quite eclectic.
If you are suggesting I am any specie of Communist, you are way off the mark. I would find a warmer reception among the Fascisti.

I do believe we should help the disadvantaged members of 'our' society. You'd think that would be perceived as PC rather than a hot button issue for you to pounce upon. I know the PC crowd likes to characterise those who oppose the madness of multiculturalism as 'racist' and 'Nazi' -but you are quite off the mark. Protectionist, reactionary, conservative, traditionalist, nativist, ethno-centric -these are all labels from which I would not retreat. And as for the last? ALL peoples are biased towards their own heritage and culture. Only we Occidentals are denied the privilege of caring about our own national identities without being denounced as bigots and racists.

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SilverFalcon

These are basically my own views as well. That makes me nationalist as well as libertarian. Both terms have been battered into somewhat different shapes by the extremism of recent times. Almost everyone is moderate. The extremists have more in common with one another. That is a researched fact. Which is why I remember the Sunday Times of South Africa spread out on the carpet one morning in the 1970s in a two page revelation on the IRA helping to train the Afrikaner Weerstand Beweging (AWB). Even though one was left and one was right wing extremist, they both hated the English and this is where they found their extremism dovetailed into co-operation.

This is why, in similar vein, all moderate, liberty loving centrists should pool their resources and support to vote out those from way over there on both sides of the spectrum.

kernow

I see by the poll results the BNP are piling in!

Brendan Scarborough

Curious how there weren't any conspiratorial comments while the poll was tipped in favour of the liberal point of view. And how BNP?
I am sure if the poll becomes too unbalanced in favour of the patriot faction, some timely excuse to close the poll will be found.



B.

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