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Not only am I opposed to all immigration, I would favour the repatriation of illegals. 15 39.47%
I am opposed to all immigration into Great Britain & Ireland. 2 5.26%
I am opposed to all extra-European immigration into Great Britain & Ireland. 1 2.63%
I am sympathetic to limited inter-European immigration into Great Britain & Ireland. 3 7.89%
I am sympathetic to all limited and well regulated immigration into Great Britian & Ireland. 17 44.74%
I see no reason to interfere in the free, unregulated flow of migrants within the EU. 1 2.63%
I am a convinced believer in the philosophy of multiculturalism. 2 5.26%
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Old 12-11-2007, 05:58 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Ooooh, I'm a "fence sitter". I remember this remark from somewhere else, so those little brass bells are going off in my little wooden head.
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Anyone who doesn't agree with steel toed conquest is dismissed as a "fence sitter".
My goodness. Who has advocated such things? I have no interest in acquiring my neighbours real estate by any means. I wish only to secure our own little patch for future generations of our own people -and yes! By any and all means.
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Its funny how Passion and conviction are dismissed as extremism or a sort of quasi-religious fanaticism. It is these types of recycled propagandist statements that cause me to mistakingly attribute you unfortunate associations.

Extreme circumstances call for an extreme attitude my dear.

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Brendan, regarding the Africans, you have another porkie laden piece of misinformation gleaned no doubt from some idiotic foaming Aryan supremacist web site.

When the Dutch arrived at the Cape it was a collection of ruthless entrepreneurs from the Dutch East India Company who wanted to create a vegetable garden at a half way station for their ships going to the spice rich east. Not a beauteous collection of Aryan wonders. Their extremely badly paid workers and corrupt Company officials made up the base of this tiny settlement on the very tip of the continent.

Enter Jan van Riebeeck. He was an upwardly mobile man who used his ten years at the Cape to secure him a better position in Batavia. He endured the Cape experience for this reason and in ten years was replaced by another Company official. Slowly the Company officials began to take land for themselves and after some years there were the origins of the famous wine farms of Cape Town. The Cape interior hadn't been settled yet, but that was about to happen. (1936 and the Great Trek, when the Boers finally had enough of the English and decided to get as far away from them as they could.)

The soil was poor and the Cape South Easter wind blew everything away as it still does. The winters weren't any better, when it rained and the sea heaved and threw ships onto the rocks. It isn't called the Cape of Storms for nowt.

The Company workers grew angry and felt oppressed and disregarded. They left and tried their hand at private enterprise and farming. The lovely Dutch east India Company arranged for a shipload of female orphans from Rotterdam to come over as wives for these men. They lined these poor women up and they were chosen as wives. You can imagine what this must have been like.

Eventually German settlers arrived to farm the winelands and so did the French Huguenots, fleeing religious persecution in France. Van der Stel, the then Governor at the Cape noticed that people were not getting along too well and so decided that to stop enclaves forming he would force intermarriage and multiculturalism by placing grants for farms in a pattern of interspersion. One Dutch, one German, another Dutch, two Frenchmen ... you get the picture. This is how the Afrikaner nation emerged but they were not called this yet. They were more of less forced into being by their Governor, who had other plans for himself and needed them to help him fulfil them. At first they were called Boers, which means "farmer". Later they elected to call themselves Afrikaners, which means "Africans". Their unique language evolved thus:

This unique language "just grew' from the soil of South Africa. In the human melting pot of the Cape it was inevitable that, from the original Dutch spoken by the first settlers, a colloquial form would be evolved by people such as the Khoikhoi and slaves from Malaya, Indonesia, Madagascar and West Africa.

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At the Cape were many Malay slaves brought there by the Dutch. They formed a group called The Cape Malays and my father used to talk about them a lot, as he came from Cape Town. This is why there are Muslims in Cape Town today. Many are also Christian now as their miscegenation with Boers created a sharing of cultural aspects, surnames and language. They started the Cape Town Minstrels, or Kaapse Klopse. Their origins lie in the 18th century.

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At the Cape were also the indigenous San people, in two groups, one called "Koi-San" (the Hottentots) and the other more popularly known as "the Bushmen". The Koi were in a fix when the whites arrived as they were severely harassed by the Bushmen and eventually, after smallpox introduced from visiting ships decimated them and poverty and dispossession reduced them to near extinction, they collapsed as a group. The Bushmen ended up moving further into the desert regions. They were cattle raiders and used to steal Hottentot stock. In itself this was a complex local situation before whites gave it the final shove.

The so-called "Coloured" nation at the Cape came into being mostly by miscegenation of the Dutch with a mixture of Malay slaves, San and some oriental exiles also at the Cape at the time. You will often see the features of these orientals in Afrikaners from the Cape and you will often in Afrikaans families see members with the features of their Coloured heritage. This is now spread among the entire Afrikaner population.

The authorities separated people by eye and if you looked very dark and passed a few tests to establish this you could be reclassified even if your parents looked very white. Or if you were very white looking and found yourself in the Coloured community by birth you could "try for white" and maybe get yourself reclassified. My father told me about how among the Coloureds at the time you got people they called the "venster kykers" (window lookers) who would, after being accepted as white, look into the windows of shops as their darker relatives passed by so no one would recognise them and spill the beans. Today, this is no longer necessary. And these "throwback" people still appear, only now they will not be marched off to the nearest police station for daring to live in the wrong area or trying to attend a school not in their jurisdiction, etc. A very complex place is South Africa.

In short the pure Aryan race ideal does not apply to the Afrikaners any more than it does to any other people in these kind of circumstances.

Regarding the myth about the blacks and the supposed wasteland that was South Africa when the Dutch came to the Cape in 1652.

Other long-term inhabitants of the area that was to become South Africa were the Bantu-speaking people who had moved into the north-eastern and eastern regions from the north, starting at least many hundreds of years before the arrival of the Europeans.

The Thulamela site in the northern Kruger National Park is estimated to have been first occupied in the 13th century. The ruins of Mapungubwe, where artifacts from as far away as China have been found, are the remains of a large trading settlement thought to stretch back to the 12th century. Agro-pastoralists, these people brought with them an Iron Age culture and sophisticated socio-political systems.


For more info see: A short history of South Africa - SouthAfrica.info

As for the blacks enjoying a high standard of living during this time, I feel that you must be corrected for the sake of all of those who suffered and for those of us had to witness this but were not able to change anything politically because we were outnumbered. The blacks during this seemingly wondrous phase of their history, were herded into large "locations" that consisted of tiny "matchbox" houses with no running water and no electricity. The roads in these places were untarred. There was no water borne sewage for them. The houses were leased to them and they could never buy them or in any way own them. The locations were placed outside towns so that a workforce would be nearby but nothing was done to make life in any way "civilized" for these folk. Where do you get the idea they were all living the life of Riley?

Blacks had to carry passport documents and if they didn't happen to have theirs with them when they were stopped they were taken off to the local cop shop where they were beaten senseless. I know, I had a friend who could hear them screaming from his house. He once couldn't stand it any more and raced over to the police station to protest. He found someone tied to the leg of the table. He was lucky he didn't join them in a cell. It really was that bad.

Shop keepers used to throw the change at black shoppers and I once saw a loaf of bread come sailing out of a bakery door after the black customer. It landed in the dirt and she had to pick it up and take it home. Cut me up, watching that. Formed my worldview of the human race as a nasty bunch of opportunists, unafraid of cruelty when it suited their purposes. The people who practised this behaviour were all devout Christians, of course. Humanity never allows reality to interfere with its hypocrisy.

That was the beauty and the joy of the Africans' and the Indians' and the Coloureds' lives, my friend, and the English here had to watch it. Is it any wonder to you that we were hated by the Afrikaner nationalists? We didn't want anything more than justice and fair treatment. We were labelled "kaffir boeties". My father was given this insult every time he made a noise about fair treatment or human compassion. He was never promoted in his job because of this, but he didn't keep quiet and in his honour, neither shall I. Now you put this in your store of bullsh*t about South Africa and you chew on it.

The regime was national socialist and it was only for the Afrikaners. They forced their language, culture and religious views on the entire country. Thank whatever passes for god they are no longer in power.

By the way the British built South Africa's mining industry, commercial power, road systems, universities and government structure. The hated English whom the dear AWB vowed to "chase into the sea" and whose Union flag they dreamed of wiping off the national rag. Is it still a mystery why the BNP is going nowhere when it has accepted this lot into its ranks? I think the BNP must have been drinking at the same poisoned well as you.

Having said all that, and boy does it need to be said! I will further say that the socialist ANC is destroying South Africa. In many ways it resembles its former white masters who ran a top heavy bureaucracy, oppressed everybody and stole all the cash.
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Please provide a link to your personal blog or the news service with which you are employed. If you are restricting your writings to message boards, you are wasting your obvious gifts.

I am sorry you do not see the sad indignity of wasting your sympathies on those who have none with you. Unilateral altruism and compassion is a fatal flaw in the Celto-Teutonic character.

I enjoyed your monumental, though obviously biased history of Western Imperialism. Yes, we occidentals have a unique claim on inhumanity.

And I have never had any associations with neo-nazis or these ghastly, American white Nationalist types. The way you strategically introduce these provocative words like: ' Aryan', and 'steel toed' -cuts me to the quick.

Anyone who regards a paragon of virtuous compassion such as you, as a fascist or racist, must really be a hard case indeed! Please remember the British passport holding Al-Qaeda at Guantanamo, on Boxing day.

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Don't blame me, Brendan, for spending my time talking humongous loads of tripe on fora. No writer can get published today because they prefer people who write books about nerdy wizards who learn their craft at the secret headquarters of the Socialist Worker's Party called Hogwarts. Find platform nine and three quarters, inhale, prepare, charge like a mad buffalo and burst through to the biggest academy of political correctness in fairyland.

Write anything else and you will be told to get lost. So refugees from the angry writers union haunt the net getting up the noses of people like you. Sorry.

As for the nazis, unlike you I know them. Met them by accident, investigated them on purpose, found diamonds in the dust (there are always good folk who get into messy situations without realising it), vented my spleen, applied my sword. Also watched as many woke up and shook themselves and heard the ancestral voices saying, "not this way, that way." Many left and I was enlightened. I was a really ignorant falcon when first I came to cyberspace. But not any more. It pays to engage with some things, whether by accident or on purpose as you find out what is really going on and how certain people are being forced into thinking and behaving because they believe their world is ending.

I'd rather be narrow boating. It was interesting to engage with you. No, we don't agree on everything, but I will not be changing my opinions as these are formed not from what anyone else has ever tried to tell me but from the way I feel about things I have experienced and the way I interpret the experiences others have revealed about themselves. Yes, the Celto-Teutonics are good at turning the universe transparent by understanding the pain of others.

I think, if this isn't abused, it is a good thing to keep and to use as a moral evolutionary tool. Not so we all become dingbats who can't fight but so that we can better learn to fight more effectively for the right kinds of things and so that we do not kill and maim and bully in our pathway to self determination and our championing of liberty.

As for Guantanamo. It should not exist as such and should instead be capable of prosecution or release. People should not be held in this way in our day and age. On the other hand, those who feel a little explosive should be put on a nice jet and told to keep going until they reach their own countries. The ones who hold British passports? These are the result of a combination of rootlessness in an adopted culture and identification with brothers in arms of the utterly unsuccessful Middle East policies of the past.

There must be a new world and a new age and a stop to mad religious fulmination. Life is too short and the universe is too large for this kind of thing.
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I never stand on false pride. I think you are awesome.

Something is 'whispering sweet nothings in my ear' to the effect that you were once a prominent journalist in the former era. I am enriched by our exchange.

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Personally, I am neither. I would think the average member of the PC gang would have more in common with an ideologically communitarian world view than a Nationalist. What would be the chief distinction between communitarianism and liberal, bleeding heart Socialism?

Do I favour the idea of providing social assistance and support to the less advantaged of our Countrymen? Pensioners, the disabled, orphans? Of course. I am not without compassion. Do I look positively upon the Danish Government allocating 7% of its GNP for foreign aid, or Britain's granting sanctuary to bonus asylum seekers? Not on your life. Let the Kurds and Parsees find refuge in Asia, not Europe.

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I find this post laughable. You claim you are neither, then you go on to espouse communitarian values - nationalism and state sponsored violence (social welfare).

You cannot simply state that collectivism is not a facet of your political ideology and then go on to promote collectivist values. This is an ad hoc fallacy.
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I never stand on false pride. I think you are awesome.

Something is 'whispering sweet nothings in my ear' to the effect that you were once a prominent journalist in the former era. I am enriched by our exchange.

Humble regards,

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I'm just a housewife with access to a PC and washing machine, but thank you, dear B, and now you may turn your attention to Lord Smidgey who has some pertinent things to say about social systems and economic liberty.

I rather like Smidgey's signature quote.
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and now you may turn your attention to Lord Smidgey who has some pertinent things to say about social systems and economic liberty.
First I will need to locate my reference manual of obscure pseudo-intellectual terminology and academic hyperbole, and my rather dusty copy of Das Kapital.

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First I will need to locate my reference manual of obscure pseudo-intellectual terminology and academic hyperbole, and my rather dusty copy of Das Kapital.
Nice dodge.

By the way, you may also wish to locate your dictionary in order to look up the definition of the word 'hyperbole'.

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And Adam Smith was himself a very benevolent man, an altruist, and his donations were kept secret.
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