Immigration Poll

Populist Lee · 10-11-2007, 07:28 PM

We shall now be able to sort the sheep from the wolves.
Shan't we?

I voted for the first option.

Smidgey · 10-11-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendan Scarborough

The poll was designed for a very specific purpose. Identifying Multi-culturalists. You seem to have had no problems finding a Poll option which clearly identifies yourself as such.

But one can always make a post to clarify any ambiguities in their selection.

B.

I guess I shall be tarred and feathered before my position can be made clear...

I, like Milton Friedman, do not believe one can have open immigration in the current climate of socialism. The problem, in my opinion, is the socialism combined with immigration, not the immigration alone.

Brendan Scarborough · 10-11-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

I guess I shall be tarred and feathered before my position can be made clear...
I, like Milton Friedman, do not believe one can have open immigration in the current climate of socialism. The problem, in my opinion, is the socialism combined with immigration, not the immigration alone.

For me it is not an either/or proposition. Both are objectionable and intertwined. The English are presently paying the price for the misdeeds of their Continental cousins east of the Rhein. When Germany lost the war, Nationalism was all but outlawed and the neo- Marxists were handed Europe on a silver plate. I draw no distinction between the European Commission & a Bolshevik Politburo. Only the former oppresses its opposition with more subtlety. Barroso or Trotsky. Different names, same agenda.

Read Shirer's Rise and fall of the third Reich. You will see credible quotes by western diplomats expressing a desire to ' breed' the warlike strain out of the German. The importation of millions of Turkish ' guest' workers was the first effort in that direction. Germany's crimes, Europe's debt.

Britain needs to withdraw from the EU. If she were to do so, others would follow her example and the defecting countries can act in concert in joint defence against the EU's inevitable retaliation ( mostly economic).

Britain needs a strong, defiantly Nationalistic government who's first act should be to divest Britain of her remnant colonial possessions, and then send all British residents originating in those over seas territories -home. There would be exceptions of course. Extra-European Immigration should be abolished in toto throughout Europe in perpetuity.

If we do not do this? Within 3 generations, Muhammed and Kwaze will be more common names in Ireland than Brian or Padraic.

Judging from the poll, I would think the tar and feathers are being reserved for myself Smidgey. I'll start hoarding the turpentine.

-C.

SilverFalcon · 11-11-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brendan Scarborough

I know exactly what you meant. I simply feel the populace of Asia or Africa haven't any particular skills we need to import. If we have a shortage of Computer engineers or Sisters of Mercy, it's a result of our decayed social values, misplaced priorities, and an educational system which has degenerated into an organ of political indoctrination rather than a strictly academic institution.

If you feel you have been 'told off', you wouldn't last an hour in the House of Commons

I am admittedly an extremist on the point of National self-interest and my political views are definitely of another century-but I do not see that as honerous. Radical conservatives and their moderate or liberal counterparts have ideas that are so irreconcilably at odds, it is difficult not to ignite a passionate or defencive response whenever debating such emotionally charged and contentious issues as these. If I took personally every oblique insinuation or harsh critique thrown my direction, I'd not have the heart to engage in these discussions.

I believe I suggested the Afrikaaners would find refuge in the Netherlands, not Tunbridge Wells.

Completely arbitrary positioning with no significance whatsoever. You are standing on semantics?

Rubbish. You are confusing the 'coloured' social group with Afrikaaners. Afrikaaners are 100% European. The children of a Black African/Indian & white union are regarded as coloured by both the Black S. Africans, the Afrikaaners, and the Coloureds themselves.

Yes, and what few that are left are being butchered or terrorised by Mugabes thugs. Where is the meddling, sanctimonious International community on this? If the situation were reversed and it was a 'white' government victimising non-'whites' the story would be on every news network and in hourly rotation and Countess Madonna would be on the first, first class flight to Harare

Truth and reason never ring pleasantly in the ears of a head in the clouds liberal. You have suggested my indelicate words have caused you some injury. I think your not so subtle implication with this statement has evened the score.

Like I stated earlier. If you feel as if you have been unduly mistreated, I would not suggest a career as an MP.

Why should Occidentals make room for Asians and Africans in our homelands? They have homelands of their own. It's that simple. The modern immigrant cannot be compared with say, the 18th and 19th century settlers who went to America and other undeveloped Lands and built a civilisation from rocks and trees.

The modern immigrant who steps off an air conditioned plane, rents a centrally heated flat, and finds a ready made living as a sales girl at Harrods -is a parasite.

Why you people want to share our tiny island with hordes of Aliens is a mystery to me. It's a psychological disorder to be sure. One that only afflicts the European mind.

-B.

Brendan, I am not a Liberal. People who know me will find this very odd of you!

Be careful what you say about the Afrikaners as it is you who is talking "rubbish", not I. But then I have lived in the country under question for over fifty years and know the research and know the regime and know the people. I know my own people here too, of course, and never the twain shall meet. To say the Boers are 100% white is like saying, hand on heart, that every white American is 100% paleface. You know it isn't true. The Afrikaners know it isn't true and do not dispute it. They are realists. I'm not talking about the small group of radical racists your ideology loves to admire, but the real Afrikaners who have few delusions left about their existence and are moving on. You won't find these trying to garner sympathy out of anyone. They are fully capable of looking after themselves, as are we all here in this volatile place.

Imagine thinking I did not know the difference between a "Coloured" and a Boer! Really, Brendan, where have you been? Who has been whispering sweet nothings in your willing ear? Did you know that the real original Boers used to call the Coloured nation here "brown Afrikaners"? Did you know they used to call the native Africans "the folk"? You see, Afrikaners always knew who was whom. They have no delusions. Some may have gone all nazi when they got into power and crushed the rest of their folk into submission, but it didn't last and it came to pieces and now we are all suffering. Take a lesson. History is capable of repeating itself.

The Liberals, incidentally, think I am a racist and a fascist. Somewhere in there is the truth. Maybe someday someone will be able to see me. Being English can be very trying. No one understands us.

As for little old me not being able to take the heat in the Commons kitchen: well, I don't know. I don't ever want to be politician because slanging it out in the Commons isn't really my cup of tea. It tends to be unproductive. Politics is so stupid and brutal and dishonest. Really not the place for me. I can fight, of course, but I like to reserve my steel for situations where it's really necessary. Because, as every animal knows, if you rush out and blunt your claws on a shadow you may find yourself in deep water when you turn around and see the shadow's owner looming with a pristine blade.

I was referring not to car washers and burger flippers as immigrants but to the sharing of intelligence and skills that characterises every civilized democracy. You will see this exchange happening between the west and the new Asia more and more now that Asia is rising and people with capability are needed to help build new industries. The desalination industry is an example. Many Europeans are going to Saudi Arabia to learn of their methods as they are leading the field in this method. The Arabs are greening their deserts. This will change the entire economic scene for them and open up new sectors. Brazil has just discovered oil deposits. Brazil will be engaging the world's oil workers and expertise to help turn the country into a mega rich nation.

Those kind of immigrants are always in demand. But they are high earners and few in number. To think I was referring to the flood of riff raff that characterises the British immigration scenario is to be carried away by the idea that I am a lefty.

mkpdavies · 11-11-2007, 11:03 AM

In an ideal world, I'd like to see all nations free, libertarian and therefore freedom for movement for all. As all the countries would be free and properous, you wouldn't have masses of people all piling in from the **** areas, into the good areas, making them in turn **** themselves.

In the real world I can't see that happening overnight. Therefore, we need to get thing right on our own little island, with managed immigration based on our requirements.

tito · 11-11-2007, 11:48 AM

I chose 5.

SilverFalcon · 11-11-2007, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

In an ideal world, I'd like to see all nations free, libertarian and therefore freedom for movement for all. As all the countries would be free and properous, you wouldn't have masses of people all piling in from the **** areas, into the good areas, making them in turn **** themselves.

In the real world I can't see that happening overnight. Therefore, we need to get thing right on our own little island, with managed immigration based on our requirements.

We agree at last on something, Matt. I think it's going to rain frogs.

I too wish for that ideal situation. It isn't impossible to get close to, but would need a lot of cooperative work. Maybe at some future time, as you say ...

If we are smart enough to survive this time.

Smidgey · 11-11-2007, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brendan Scarborough

For me it is not an either/or proposition. Both are objectionable and intertwined. The English are presently paying the price for the misdeeds of their Continental cousins east of the Rhein. When Germany lost the war, Nationalism was all but outlawed and the neo- Marxists were handed Europe on a silver plate. I draw no distinction between the European Commission & a Bolshevik Politburo. Only the former oppresses its opposition with more subtlety. Barroso or Trotsky. Different names, same agenda.

Read Shirer's Rise and fall of the third Reich. You will see credible quotes by western diplomats expressing a desire to ' breed' the warlike strain out of the German. The importation of millions of Turkish ' guest' workers was the first effort in that direction. Germany's crimes, Europe's debt.

Britain needs to withdraw from the EU. If she were to do so, others would follow her example and the defecting countries can act in concert in joint defence against the EU's inevitable retaliation ( mostly economic).

Britain needs a strong, defiantly Nationalistic government who's first act should be to divest Britain of her remnant colonial possessions, and then send all British residents originating in those over seas territories -home. There would be exceptions of course. Extra-European Immigration should be abolished in toto throughout Europe in perpetuity.

If we do not do this? Within 3 generations, Muhammed and Kwaze will be more common names in Ireland than Brian or Padraic.

Judging from the poll, I would think the tar and feathers are being reserved for myself Smidgey. I'll start hoarding the turpentine.

-C.

I agree with your sentiments on leaving the EU. However, I completely disagree with your sentiments on nationalism. Nationalism is as much a communitarian value as Marxism, socialism or communism. We are being made to forget that we are invididuals working in a system and are being told that we are the system. Language like this is used by our current government all the time 'we', 'our', 'us', etc. Cast your eye back to historic nationalistic countries and there is absolutely no different. Nationalism is communitarianism. Liberty and freedom are individualism and are the only ideologies that can be supported by those who believe in individual rights and individual determination.

kernow · 11-11-2007, 12:49 PM

It goes to show how big a concern immigration is to people who read this forum, as only 15 have so far bothered to vote!

mkpdavies · 11-11-2007, 05:40 PM

People probably don't want to reveal their names against their positions.

Or they ignore the poll section.

View Poll Results: Your views on immigration.
Not only am I opposed to all immigration, I would favour the repatriation of illegals.	15	39.47%
I am opposed to all immigration into Great Britain & Ireland.	2	5.26%
I am opposed to all extra-European immigration into Great Britain & Ireland.	1	2.63%
I am sympathetic to limited inter-European immigration into Great Britain & Ireland.	3	7.89%
I am sympathetic to all limited and well regulated immigration into Great Britian & Ireland.	17	44.74%
I see no reason to interfere in the free, unregulated flow of migrants within the EU.	1	2.63%
I am a convinced believer in the philosophy of multiculturalism.	2	5.26%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

11-11-2007, 11:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	In an ideal world, I'd like to see all nations free, libertarian and therefore freedom for movement for all. As all the countries would be free and properous, you wouldn't have masses of people all piling in from the ** areas, into the good areas, making them in turn ** themselves. In the real world I can't see that happening overnight. Therefore, we need to get thing right on our own little island, with managed immigration based on our requirements. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,965	We shall now be able to sort the sheep from the wolves. Shan't we? I voted for the first option.

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kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,017	It goes to show how big a concern immigration is to people who read this forum, as only 15 have so far bothered to vote!