rjt

Sadly that is what some people want to do, they dont us ahving a heritage we can be proud of.

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brad12jy

god save the queen

Ivan

Who would abolish the monarchy in favour of President Cherie Blair?

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Britannist

A europhile.

Smidgey

That's right. I'm a europhile...

Shame on you Britannist.

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rjt

Indeed of course a Monarchy like ours is a threat to Europhiles because they are above party politics.

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Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO!
(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

Britannist

You are not a europhile, Smidgey - but most republicans in the UK are.

Britannist

The europhiles want to destroy all ancient British institutions - including The Crown.

They want a puppet President - who does what the EU tells him/her to do - to be Head of State of the UK.

tito

Smidgey, while I share your concerns over the unelected monarchy, consider this.

Democracy, as a tool to elect leaders, is imposing the tyranny of the majority onto the minorities. This isn't good.
Democracy as a tool to elect administrators is very good.

I despise our elected leader, it is not possible for me to like an unelected leader any less.

I believe in a semi-elected monarch. As follows

Monarch is chosen by accident of birth, parliament votes on the monarchs accession to the throne. New monarch is now monarch for life, who can only be removed from office by majority vote in parliament and a national referendum (extremely unlikely)
The monarch should still be powerless though. A figurehead and head of state at present, but also a sworn defender of liberties. The monarch should be allowed to highlight injustices in laws against a written constitution. The monarch should be given the power to put such proposals through a supreme court style institution, if it is deemed constitutional the monarch could offer the public a referendum.
Parliament, and the prime minister, should not be as high profile as they are today. Instead they should be the administrators of the state, not the leaders of the state. Servants, not rulers. The monarch should be the figurehead of the people, keeping the people's administrators in line.

It would not only keep, and polish up, the historic institution of monarchy. But it would also provide a difficult hurdle for a would-be elected fascist to overcome. A monarch with such a role is likely to have an enormously high approval rating. If we had such a system now it would be the wakeup call the apathetic people need. Imagine the Queen coming on television now and saying that the government has gone too far and pointing out the erosion of liberties, the Labour government wouldn't last until the end of the week.

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noachian

Interesting. Just in that last part are you saying that if the Queen were to intervene in the public sector of politics then her statments would lead people's opinions?

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