Britannist

"Christian converts risk Muslim attack" (claim):

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle2461314.ece

Tom Wilde

Disgraceful. Plainly Nazir-Ali is right, and there is a duty on Muslim religious leaders to explain to their congregations that, living in Britain, they must respect freedom of religion. Beyond that, it is a matter for the police.

Popeye

Religious tolerance is not part of the islamification process. Can't the appeasers see that?

Tom Wilde

Averaged over history as a whole, Islam probably has a better record of religious tolerance than Christianity. Not that that is saying much.

g hall

Then like Christianity they discovered sectarianism

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John Carter

Wrong again. You really do need to go look at your history Tom. While you're at it, go check what the pedophile terrorist thought of the polytheism in Mecca.

Tom Wilde

Actually, they discovered sectarianism much sooner than the Christians did. Within a hundred years of Islam kicking off, they had managed to have their massive and lasting split into Sunni and Shia factions. It took Christianity 1500 years to come up with a split that serious! And both factions carried right on splitting into smaller sects for ever after. You think we have problems in UKIP?

g hall

I was thinking along the lines of the English schism when St Augustine landed with the Roman church as against the then predominant Celtic Christian church about 500 ad and then there where all the different popes as well as the Orthodox church against the western church

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"That government is best which governs least."
"This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries".
"To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."
TANSTAAFL TANJ

Aardvark

5 Popes at present - Armenian Apostolic in Jerusalem, Syriac in Antioch, RC in Rome, Eastern Orthodox in Constantinople/Istanbul, Coptic in Alexandria. These schisms happened a long time ago - a long time before the 1500s. The Council of Nicaea knocked the Aryan heresy on the head - a good old fashioned 6th century schism.

If you want to see schisms then visit Jerusalem and watch the antics of the different churches as they argue over who can sweep up at the Holy Sepulchre. There are a set of ladders up against a wall in the church that have been there for decades as nobody can agree who has the right to move them. The key to the door of Christianity's most holy shrine has been held by a Muslim family for 500 years.

I don't blame religion, I blame the men who try to interpret it.

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Like The Roman

I watched this tonight and had to laugh. An Iman was interviwed and presented with the quote 'apostates should be killed', presumably from the Koran, he replied (paraphrasing, sorry) "you can twist the words of the Koran to mean pretty much anything".

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