Is Contraception failure a good enough reason for abortion?

C_steam · 19-04-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RJT

I take the view if I make a choice to have sex with someone then preganancy is a possible result and I accept that.

That wasn't my question - i asked "If all the 'pro-lifers' here only engage in sex when both parties are clear that the intent is to cause new life?"

Note the both parties. So it may be RJT that while you are prepared for pregnancy the other party isn't. Then what?

rjt · 19-04-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

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Originally Posted by RJT

I take the view if I make a choice to have sex with someone then preganancy is a possible result and I accept that.

That wasn't my question - i asked "If all the 'pro-lifers' here only engage in sex when both parties are clear that the intent is to cause new life?"

Note the both parties. So it may be RJT that while you are prepared for pregnancy the other party isn't. Then what?

Then the other party should not be prepared to have sex with me, they should realise that there could be a possiblity of getting pregnant.

So I would say they are simply being iresponsible.

C_steam · 19-04-2007, 12:23 PM

But you don't check?

rjt · 19-04-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

But you don't check?

Of course I discuss these things befoe embarking on a sexual realtionship as does anyone with any sense.

This is why the other party should not be prepared to have sex with me unless they feel the same.

Smidgey · 19-04-2007, 04:38 PM

Nobody has answered my question. If the fetus is a person, when does it get its 'person-hood' or 'soul'?

At what point during the pregnancy do the combined egg and sperm become a child?

kernow · 19-04-2007, 06:52 PM

I once read that a woman doesn't actually become pregnant until several hours after the sexual act, usually the next day.

tito · 19-04-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

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Originally Posted by Feldoon

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Originally Posted by John Carter

and the father gets a say.

I say give fathers the right to a finanical abortion.

That is, to say to the female "I want nothing to do with the baby" whilst the abortion window is well and truly open.

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Originally Posted by rjt

Who consults the child in all of this?

What child?

WHat you would term the foetus Feldoon is what I call a child.

A Foetus, when aborted, is often composed of less cells than a bluebottle fly.

It has no judgment, no mental capacity, no active nervous system, no limbs. It is as alive as a fungus or bacterium.

Britannist · 19-04-2007, 09:00 PM

Tito: there was a programme only last week shown by the television channel 'More 4' which showed what an unborn baby (foetus as some call the poor child) looked like after the pregnancy was ended.

This was very obviously a small person - a small baby who had just died as a result of the grotesque 'operation' just performed.

Not at all as you describe things, I have to say.

Britannist · 19-04-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

At what point during the pregnancy do the combined egg and sperm become a child?

It is a life from conception. You have existed from conception. That is when things begin. Nothing else begins after that - things merely proceed from conception through pregancy to birth.

tito · 19-04-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Tito: there was a programme only last week shown by the television channel 'More 4' which showed what an unborn baby (foetus as some call the poor child) looked like after the pregnancy was ended.

This was very obviously a small person - a small baby who had just died as a result of the grotesque 'operation' just performed.

Not at all as you describe things, I have to say.

I said often.

If we are going to argue about the cut off period for abortion it is a different matter.

Another thing, if they don't want it they will probably go crazy because of it. They might kill it after bith, or neglect it. It would never be brought up and loved properly.

At very best it would be another orphan.

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19-04-2007, 09:00 PM	#28 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Unborn baby Tito: there was a programme only last week shown by the television channel 'More 4' which showed what an unborn baby (foetus as some call the poor child) looked like after the pregnancy was ended. This was very obviously a small person - a small baby who had just died as a result of the grotesque 'operation' just performed. Not at all as you describe things, I have to say.

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19-04-2007, 12:23 PM	#23 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,802	But you don't check?

19-04-2007, 04:38 PM	#25 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,222 Party: Libertarian Party	Nobody has answered my question. If the fetus is a person, when does it get its 'person-hood' or 'soul'? At what point during the pregnancy do the combined egg and sperm become a child?

19-04-2007, 06:52 PM	#26 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,184	I once read that a woman doesn't actually become pregnant until several hours after the sexual act, usually the next day.