Establishment plot or not?

Anthony Butcher · 23-02-2007, 07:26 PM

Nigel Farage has announced that the fine from the Electoral Commission is part of an establishment plot to close UKIP down.

mkpdavies · 23-02-2007, 07:55 PM

More like to cause a bit of grief for the local elections.

It's certainly disproportionate compared to what we have seen in the past.

I hope UKIP milk it, but not too much, as you can overcook the pudding.

C_steam · 23-02-2007, 08:09 PM

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More like to cause a bit of grief for the local elections.

Now there's a thing.

What are the odds on UKIP taking this to appeal, and winning easily, but the legal niff naff drags on so they that the appeal can only take place after May?

ukipteen · 23-02-2007, 08:09 PM

It's got nothing to do with the government trying to do UKIP from behind. It was just a stupid administrative error on Mr.Bown's side. Unfortunately, we may finally do what people have being saying for years, we may have destroyed our party from the inside.

John Carter · 23-02-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ukipteen

It's got nothing to do with the government trying to do UKIP from behind. It was just a stupid administrative error on Mr.Bown's side.

Of course, the Electoral Commission's administrative computers are never wrong.

ukipteen · 23-02-2007, 08:55 PM

Nigel said this morning that it seemes to be Mr.Bown's fault because he didn't fill in the form for 2005.

mkpdavies · 23-02-2007, 09:23 PM

There is no argument that UKIP make a balls up. The argument is how this is being treated, compared to the past.

This must rank as one of the most minor balls ups in the history of balls ups, yet the EC has come down on UKIP like a tonne of bricks.

That's the bit people are questioning, rightly. Why the sever punishment? After all the REAL scandals going on, such as cash for peerages, Lib Dems foreign based crooks, Tories using public assets for dinner fund raising etc, why does UKIP get the book thrown at it for this?

If Bown was a crook, or a foriegn national with no right to sway our elections or if UKIP did it on purpose for some sort of gain, then it would be understandable.

Maybe there is more to come, but as things stand it looks harsh, very harsh. To the point where it makes you suspicous.

John Carter · 23-02-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ukipteen

Nigel said this morning that it seemes to be Mr.Bown's fault because he didn't fill in the form for 2005.

How does Nigel know that Mr Brown didn't fill in the form for 2005? Has Mr Brown come forward and admitted it? Or is it just on the say so of the EC?

GTFC_Adam · 23-02-2007, 11:02 PM

As far as party finances are concerned, UKIP needs to follow the honest squeaky clean example set by Labour and the Tories. :roll:

Jim Smith · 26-02-2007, 08:43 PM

Failings

1. Mr Bown for not registering to vote and not realising he had no vote at the general election and doing something about it.
2. UKIPs finance function for not checking out all large donors for their electoral roll.
3. Nigel and South East for the state of their Accounts.
4. Tom Wise and fellow MEPs for not following euroland rules.
5. MEPs fo failing to pool euroland cash in legal ways that helped the party but prefering their own fiefdoms.
6. Those on the NEC who backed Knapman, Farage and the MEPs against people like Petrina etc who tried to bring MEPs into the main party operation.
7. Those who remain on the NEC who opposed those who left when they enquired about accounting problems.
8. Those in the UKIP offices who preferred to smear senior UKIP people over made up BNP and other links.

Why does there need to be any establishment conspiracy when the above takes place?

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23-02-2007, 07:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,205 Party: None	Establishment plot or not? Nigel Farage has announced that the fine from the Electoral Commission is part of an establishment plot to close UKIP down.

23-02-2007, 07:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	More like to cause a bit of grief for the local elections. It's certainly disproportionate compared to what we have seen in the past. I hope UKIP milk it, but not too much, as you can overcook the pudding. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

23-02-2007, 09:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	There is no argument that UKIP make a balls up. The argument is how this is being treated, compared to the past. This must rank as one of the most minor balls ups in the history of balls ups, yet the EC has come down on UKIP like a tonne of bricks. That's the bit people are questioning, rightly. Why the sever punishment? After all the REAL scandals going on, such as cash for peerages, Lib Dems foreign based crooks, Tories using public assets for dinner fund raising etc, why does UKIP get the book thrown at it for this? If Bown was a crook, or a foriegn national with no right to sway our elections or if UKIP did it on purpose for some sort of gain, then it would be understandable. Maybe there is more to come, but as things stand it looks harsh, very harsh. To the point where it makes you suspicous. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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23-02-2007, 08:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
ukipteen Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 190	It's got nothing to do with the government trying to do UKIP from behind. It was just a stupid administrative error on Mr.Bown's side. Unfortunately, we may finally do what people have being saying for years, we may have destroyed our party from the inside.

23-02-2007, 08:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
ukipteen Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 190	Nigel said this morning that it seemes to be Mr.Bown's fault because he didn't fill in the form for 2005.

23-02-2007, 11:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
GTFC_Adam Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 276	As far as party finances are concerned, UKIP needs to follow the honest squeaky clean example set by Labour and the Tories. :roll:

26-02-2007, 08:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jim Smith Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 109	Failings 1. Mr Bown for not registering to vote and not realising he had no vote at the general election and doing something about it. 2. UKIPs finance function for not checking out all large donors for their electoral roll. 3. Nigel and South East for the state of their Accounts. 4. Tom Wise and fellow MEPs for not following euroland rules. 5. MEPs fo failing to pool euroland cash in legal ways that helped the party but prefering their own fiefdoms. 6. Those on the NEC who backed Knapman, Farage and the MEPs against people like Petrina etc who tried to bring MEPs into the main party operation. 7. Those who remain on the NEC who opposed those who left when they enquired about accounting problems. 8. Those in the UKIP offices who preferred to smear senior UKIP people over made up BNP and other links. Why does there need to be any establishment conspiracy when the above takes place?