Should gun ownership be legalised?

This-England · 18-02-2007, 04:16 PM

NEWS RELEASE FROM THE LIBERTARIAN ALLIANCE In Association with the
Libertarian International

Release Date: Monday 19th February 2007
Release Time: Immediate

Contact Details:
Dr Sean Gabb (Director), 07956 472 199, sean@libertarian.co.uk

For other contact and link details, see the foot of this message
Release
url: http://www.libertarian.co.uk/news/nr049.htm

"RELEGALISE GUNS: POWER TO THE PEOPLE", FREE MARKET AND CIVIL LIBERTIES
THINK TANK TELLS BLAIR GOVERNMENT

The Libertarian Alliance, the radical free market and civil liberties
policy
institute, today calls on the British Government to take firm action
over
the shootings of young men in South London.

It believes the best action would be to relegalise guns and let
ordinary
people fight back with lethal force against the violent criminals who
presently rule the streets of our cities.

Libertarian Alliance Director, Dr Sean Gabb, says:

"The Libertarian Alliance believes in a return to the wise laws of our
ancestors, under which a person could walk into a gun shop and, without
showing a licence or any form of identification, buy as many guns and
as
much ammunition as he pleased, and could keep these at home, or carry
them
about in public, for the defence of his life or property.

"We have the most restrictive laws in Europe on gun ownership. These
have
plainly not worked. In 1968, in 1988, and twice in 1997, we were
promised a
safer country if only we gave up our guns. We were cheated.

"In fact, the only people who have no guns are the respectable. Those
who do
commit assaults are no more likely to obey the gun ban than they are to
stop
listening to horrid music or to wash their hands after using the
toilet.

"Even turning the country into a police state, with powers of random
stop
and search and scanners in public places, will do nothing to disarm
these
creatures. Such laws will only inconvenience the respectable. They
subject
us to the indignity of being searched by police officers who are
increasingly useless and corrupt. They disarm us to the point where
criminals can roam among us like foxes among chickens.

"Laws against keeping guns at home and carrying them about for defence
of
life and property are an infringement of our liberties.

"We need to get back to the sane legal climate of the Victorian era,
when
citizens were expected to take part in defending themselves, and were
encouraged to use lethal force when they believed it necessary.

"At the same time, we need real punishments for real crimes. Those who
commit assaults on others should be caught and punished with terrifying
swiftness and severity. Assuming due process of law, I see no objection
to
the use of the death penalty."

The Libertarian Alliance believes:

* That there should be no controls on possessing and carrying weapons,
including handguns, for self-defence, and that accordingly the Firearms
Acts
1920, 1937, 1968, 1988, 1997 (one and two), and all other restrictive
laws
should be repealed;

* That there should be a legal and moral climate in which, where
believed
necessary, the use of lethal force to protect life or property is
celebrated;

* That all persons found guilty under the existing laws against
self-defence should be pardoned and where appropriate compensated;

* That all criminal laws should be repealed except those directed
against
force or fraud;

* That all agencies of inspection and control set up to implement laws
against victimless crimes should be immediately abolished, and that
their
records be destroyed;

* That all investigatory powers given to the authorities for the
prosecution
of victimless crimes should be immediately abolished;

* That any organisation arguing against the above should receive no
public
funding or charitable status.

Note(s) to Editors

Dr Sean Gabb is the Director of the Libertarian Alliance. He is also
the
author of The Column of Phocas, a novel. Available via Amazon

Westcountryman · 18-02-2007, 06:16 PM

Should guns be legalised?

No.

GTFC_Adam · 18-02-2007, 07:35 PM

Absolutely not.
In my opinion the only people who should be allowed to carry guns are trained firearms bobbies dealing with a serious situation (hostage taking etc) and trainee military personnel. No hunting, game shooting etc.

Robin · 18-02-2007, 07:37 PM

Why no hunting and game shooting ?

GTFC_Adam · 18-02-2007, 07:41 PM

Because it's cruel.

g hall · 18-02-2007, 07:45 PM

All depends on the country Switzerland has and armed militia about a quarter of homes haev guns and it has a low gun-homicide rate but a high gun-suicide rate (all those singing nuns)

link http://www.gca.org.za/facts/briefs/10switzerland.htm

USA over 80 fatalities every day
http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoo...statistics.htm

I think the UK could if there where stringent controls on who has

Robin · 18-02-2007, 08:57 PM

GTFC Adam,

No it`s not.

John Carter · 18-02-2007, 10:16 PM

Yes, absolutely, guns should be legalised.

Provided I don't shoot anyone without due reason and don't allow others to get their hands on my weapons, a libertarian society should allow me to go buy an M16 if I want one.

andypandy · 18-02-2007, 10:48 PM

Are we to start training on Sundays with pistols and rifles instead of bows and arrows? Recent events over the last few years has only shown that the oppressive knee jerk reaction against legitimate and legal hand guns following Dunblane, failed to take into account what our Jamaican, east-European, and lowly urban scum elements would do with all their illegally held firearms.

Besides, it is the distinctly drug-related or intra-ethnic nature of gun crime that is the problem, not specifically the possession of guns themselves.

No matter what country you examine, find a clash a cultures and races, throw in self-perpetuating poverty, and add a cocktail off illegal substances, and you have all the makings of "gun crime".

Westcountryman · 18-02-2007, 11:03 PM

Quote:

libertarian society should allow me to go buy an M16 if I want one.

and watch chaos ensue. :shock:

18-02-2007, 04:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
This-England Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,682	Should gun ownership be legalised? NEWS RELEASE FROM THE LIBERTARIAN ALLIANCE In Association with the Libertarian International Release Date: Monday 19th February 2007 Release Time: Immediate Contact Details: Dr Sean Gabb (Director), 07956 472 199, sean@libertarian.co.uk For other contact and link details, see the foot of this message Release url: http://www.libertarian.co.uk/news/nr049.htm "RELEGALISE GUNS: POWER TO THE PEOPLE", FREE MARKET AND CIVIL LIBERTIES THINK TANK TELLS BLAIR GOVERNMENT The Libertarian Alliance, the radical free market and civil liberties policy institute, today calls on the British Government to take firm action over the shootings of young men in South London. It believes the best action would be to relegalise guns and let ordinary people fight back with lethal force against the violent criminals who presently rule the streets of our cities. Libertarian Alliance Director, Dr Sean Gabb, says: "The Libertarian Alliance believes in a return to the wise laws of our ancestors, under which a person could walk into a gun shop and, without showing a licence or any form of identification, buy as many guns and as much ammunition as he pleased, and could keep these at home, or carry them about in public, for the defence of his life or property. "We have the most restrictive laws in Europe on gun ownership. These have plainly not worked. In 1968, in 1988, and twice in 1997, we were promised a safer country if only we gave up our guns. We were cheated. "In fact, the only people who have no guns are the respectable. Those who do commit assaults are no more likely to obey the gun ban than they are to stop listening to horrid music or to wash their hands after using the toilet. "Even turning the country into a police state, with powers of random stop and search and scanners in public places, will do nothing to disarm these creatures. Such laws will only inconvenience the respectable. They subject us to the indignity of being searched by police officers who are increasingly useless and corrupt. They disarm us to the point where criminals can roam among us like foxes among chickens. "Laws against keeping guns at home and carrying them about for defence of life and property are an infringement of our liberties. "We need to get back to the sane legal climate of the Victorian era, when citizens were expected to take part in defending themselves, and were encouraged to use lethal force when they believed it necessary. "At the same time, we need real punishments for real crimes. Those who commit assaults on others should be caught and punished with terrifying swiftness and severity. Assuming due process of law, I see no objection to the use of the death penalty." The Libertarian Alliance believes: * That there should be no controls on possessing and carrying weapons, including handguns, for self-defence, and that accordingly the Firearms Acts 1920, 1937, 1968, 1988, 1997 (one and two), and all other restrictive laws should be repealed; * That there should be a legal and moral climate in which, where believed necessary, the use of lethal force to protect life or property is celebrated; * That all persons found guilty under the existing laws against self-defence should be pardoned and where appropriate compensated; * That all criminal laws should be repealed except those directed against force or fraud; * That all agencies of inspection and control set up to implement laws against victimless crimes should be immediately abolished, and that their records be destroyed; * That all investigatory powers given to the authorities for the prosecution of victimless crimes should be immediately abolished; * That any organisation arguing against the above should receive no public funding or charitable status. Note(s) to Editors Dr Sean Gabb is the Director of the Libertarian Alliance. He is also the author of The Column of Phocas, a novel. Available via Amazon

18-02-2007, 06:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	Should guns be legalised? No. __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

18-02-2007, 07:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,614	All depends on the country Switzerland has and armed militia about a quarter of homes haev guns and it has a low gun-homicide rate but a high gun-suicide rate (all those singing nuns) link http://www.gca.org.za/facts/briefs/10switzerland.htm USA over 80 fatalities every day http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoo...statistics.htm I think the UK could if there where stringent controls on who has __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." TANSTAAFL TANJ

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18-02-2007, 07:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
GTFC_Adam Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 276	Absolutely not. In my opinion the only people who should be allowed to carry guns are trained firearms bobbies dealing with a serious situation (hostage taking etc) and trainee military personnel. No hunting, game shooting etc.

18-02-2007, 07:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Robin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 930	Why no hunting and game shooting ?

18-02-2007, 07:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
GTFC_Adam Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 276	Because it's cruel.

18-02-2007, 08:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Robin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 930	GTFC Adam, No it`s not.

18-02-2007, 10:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	Yes, absolutely, guns should be legalised. Provided I don't shoot anyone without due reason and don't allow others to get their hands on my weapons, a libertarian society should allow me to go buy an M16 if I want one.

18-02-2007, 10:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	Are we to start training on Sundays with pistols and rifles instead of bows and arrows? Recent events over the last few years has only shown that the oppressive knee jerk reaction against legitimate and legal hand guns following Dunblane, failed to take into account what our Jamaican, east-European, and lowly urban scum elements would do with all their illegally held firearms. Besides, it is the distinctly drug-related or intra-ethnic nature of gun crime that is the problem, not specifically the possession of guns themselves. No matter what country you examine, find a clash a cultures and races, throw in self-perpetuating poverty, and add a cocktail off illegal substances, and you have all the makings of "gun crime".