Internationalist

rjt, I think you have misplaced your avatar. :?

This-England

The BNP?

Populist Lee

Everyone should think about the party they are in and where their vote should be cast to reflect the values they support.

If they do not do that already, they are contemptible.

kernow

Bit of a sticky one rjt I believe in "Christian Values" e.g being a decent human being, which doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a Christian to follow. I never, ever want to be governed by a Religion led political party, as far as I am concerned an equal dollop of both Religion and Greed have been the cause of almost all wars since time immemorial in which which countless thousands of innocent people have suffered and died! If you wish to be a Christian then that is your business not mine, as long as people are not interfering with other people in trying to impose "Their Faith" they should be able to follow whatever religion they fancy!

Deep Purple

An interesting topic. The Christian organisations within the main parties, particuarly the Conservative Christian Fellowship, stress that Christians are inevitably compromised on some issues, every time they vote, whether we like it or not and that the important thing is therefore to "get involved".

They are not terribly supportive of groups like the Christian People's Alliance (CPA), and seem keener for people to join rival mainstream parties- yes, even Labour or Lib Dem!

The CPA seem to be the most serious Christian party. In the first London mayoral elections, their candidate recieved around 100,00 votes- an astonishing achievement. Since then, they have gone on to win 3 seats on Newham Council, and at one point they were, I believe, the only opposition to Labour, until they were joined by some defectors to the Respect party. An important point is that they have won their seats in a muti-racial, multi faith area by working with other groups, but without compromising their own priniciples.

As for me- I reject and increasingly abhor the 3 main parties, so I agree with rjt in that regard. However, I believe UKIP is setting out its stall as an attractive home for people of conscience on a majority of issues (there will always be some areas of friction), whilst being also being sufficiently mainstream to be credible, taking one step at a time.

Internationalist

That's a very good post Deep Purple. I would add that the Christian Churches are frequently compromised themselves and in some cases are little more than outposts of the left establishment. It is hard for Christians to make the right choices politically when their ministers/priests are spouting such rubbish.

Oliver

Every Christian has a responsibility, a duty to Christ, to belong to a doctrinally sound and therefore evangelical church.

(To the nonchurch goers, evangelical means, bible believing.)

The sad truth is so many Churches today are not churches at all or have ceased to be churches. They have stopped educating and protecting Gods people and have become branches of the social services and so left wing and PC that they are a menace.

A fifth column

rjt

i agree with that.

rjt

Of course i quite understand your view although I dont agree with everything you have said there.

I am sure there is room in a democracy for both of us and that is where the change must come from, via the ballet box.

rjt

No I removed it