Mikeuk

I don't doubt they are indeed different. Little note for you on logic. Different IPs for different IDs do not prove they are not two sock puppets being operated by the same person.

Of course, if the 'two' of you wish to convince, you can start by telling us who you 'both' are.

And that goes for the bunch of other idiotically-named sockpuppets who appear whenever you do.

quote]That Feldoon was correct in his assessment is fact.[/quote]

Quite. A pity you have not paid due heed to his wisdom.

Hume says 'From causes which seem similar we expect similar effects.' Induction tells us that the sun will rise tomorrow as it has done so since the dawn of time but it is possible that it may not do so.

Thus is the Enlightenment idea of a world based on reason overthrown.

But we cannot plan our week by assuming that the sun will not rise tomorow or the day after so we must instead rely upon experience and intuition. In Hume's words "Custom is the great guide of life"

Both the atheist Hume and the Christian Burke agree on this. We have only custom and perhaps faith to guide us through life. Reason is insufficient.

Tradition and intuition tells us how to deal with homosexual problems. The counter-argument founded, I suppose, on the dubious proposition that all men are equal, is built on the sands of a discredited appeal to rationalism.

Marielitai

So that is reason enough to say that ALL homosexuals are incapable of raising children?

Did you know that homosexuality is not actually a lifestyle? Did you know that lifestyle is defined as the cumulation of all aspects of a person's personality and activities? Last time I checked, on your average person, sex does not take the majority of their time. It tends to make up maybe an hour every day or two, in the privacy of their bedroom.

rjt

Well if your getting it for an hour every day or two you are being spoilt.

I think it is quite appropriate to describe homosexuality as a lifestyle choice, there has been constant disagrement as to whether people are born gay or not.

I certainly think if I ever father children I will try to get them into private education rather than expose them to the active promotion of homosexuality which the aboliton of section 28 now allows.

We should be encouraging our young people down the road to the security of a loving marraige not advocating that acts such as sodomy are perfectly natural when clearly whether you are religous or not that cannot be the case.

Feldoon

Or just luckier than you.

Regardless, unless it somehow negatively affects the child in question, it shouldn't be a negative count.

No no. You can claim it's a possible lifestyle choice under the grounds you find the evidence showing it to be more nature/early nurture to not be solid enough.

You cannot call it a lifestyle choice with no evidence it's a choice.

Then that is your choice as the parent of that child.

However by stating that X cannot happen in public education is authoritarian and restrictive to all children's maturing.

Sodomy =/= Exclusively homosexual.

I'm sure either of the other 'mes' will fetch a link rather easily for you, I know they know it exists.

Furthermore: if marriage is such a good bond of security, explain divorces.

Phagocyte

Then I believe you'll have to find a little thing I like to call proof before I begin thinking about whether to report you for harassment.

It's a red herring and it's insulting, likely to Feldoon as well.

Did you figure that out all by yourself?

I don't have to prove anything to you. But you'd better start proving something to me, and in short order.

Now either provide a rutting reason beyond "Phagocyte agreed with Feldoon" or don't bring this up again.

I have no alternate accounts on this forum. If you have some issue with someone else, I suggest you take it up with someone else.

I did more than pay heed. I agreed with him.

But not in a debate.
You want to live by custom? Be my guest.
You want to attempt to make a reasonable case? Make a better argument.
Stop taking Hume out of context.

What homosexual problems?

And now you're poisoning the well and rejecting anything that does not conform to your admittedly irrational case as "discredited."

Don't you have any arguments that aren't fallacious?

rjt

Says it all really does it not, he wants children exposed to sickening displays of sexual deviancy, well done for unmasking his true colours.

Mikeuk

Actually nobody's said that. Obviously many homosexuals have fathered children naturally, and no doubt many of them have been excellent fathers.

However even a household consisting of two men living in a Platonic relationship would be an unnatural, and I think probably an undesirable environment in which to bring up a child.

For hundreds of years what I am saying would have been assumed simply to be commonsense. Even the Tories opposed "gay adoption" until very recently.

Now, courtesy of this detestable, tyrannical government and the noisy, unrepresentative, gay lobby, we are standing conventional morality on its head.

So what?

That may be the hour that counts.

I wonder what %age of their lives paedophiles devote to paedophilia?

Mikeuk

Thanks rjt.

With all the irrelevant trollery and pseudo-intellectual smokescreening it's taken a while to get there, but I can see his type coming a mile off.

Phagocyte

There's a reason common sense doesn't hold logical water.

I submit that morality is subjective (and therefore essentially unhelpful) in this case.

Marielitai

So, having two people who care about a child and take care of it is unnatural and undesirable based on gender alone?

And for hundreds of years, women who were widowed often had their mothers move in with them to help raise their children. These two women lived together, in some cases slept in the same bed, historically, and raised the children.

Is that just as wrong?

Conventional morality is not always right. Once upon a time, men were allowed multiple wives and prostitution was legal. That was conventional morality, but it was tossed on its head.

And how does this matter? If my parents have sex behind closed doors, what do their sexual practices matter and how do those practices effect me. Gay=/=paedophile.