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Old 02-02-2007, 12:27 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Because, as I said, the issue is still taboo.
A strange comment.

Presumably you envisage a time when paedophilia wil no longer be 'taboo'? Does this imply future acceptance of such activity?

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As long as they're understanding that their sexual attraction musn't be acted upon within our society, they don't need locking up. That's thought-crime.
Its only when they 'act' that the question of locking them up arises.
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Homosexual relationships, however, are just as healthy as heterosexual ones.
Not in my experience.

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And the reason the social view should be changed is so that people aren't ashamed or feel oppression over being homosexual.
Tell me. Do you feel that people should be made ashamed to be racists?

If so, why?
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Old 02-02-2007, 12:30 PM   #52 (permalink)
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If the Public was aware of the states on Homosexual rates of Paedophilia, disease, drug use and lifestyle I would think over 90% of people would then be against Gay adoption and a good portion would favour a ban on homosexuality itself.
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Old 02-02-2007, 12:35 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Because, as I said, the issue is still taboo.
A strange comment.

Presumably you envisage a time when paedophilia wil no longer be 'taboo'? Does this imply future acceptance of such activity?
I have no idea what the future holds and therefore I will not make a concrete
statement on it.

That's why I related it to being current.

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As long as they're understanding that their sexual attraction musn't be acted upon within our society, they don't need locking up. That's thought-crime.
Its only when they 'act' that the question of locking them up arises.
Wholly agreed. However I have known people who consider the mere thought of somebody having sexual attraction to children warrant enough to lock them up.

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Homosexual relationships, however, are just as healthy as heterosexual ones.
Not in my experience.[/quote]But your experience isn't enough to justify group discrimination on a national legal scale.

Given most of the "gay diseases" are easily explained.

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And the reason the social view should be changed is so that people aren't ashamed or feel oppression over being homosexual.
Tell me. Do you feel that people should be made ashamed to be racists?

If so, why?
No. They shouldn't.

They should be made ashamed when they act upon their racism.
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Because, as I said, the issue is still taboo.
A strange comment.

Presumably you envisage a time when paedophilia wil no longer be 'taboo'? Does this imply future acceptance of such activity?
I have no idea what the future holds and therefore I will not make a concrete
statement on it.

That's why I related it to being current.
Are you suggesting that you could live with a future position where paedophilia became socially acceptable?
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:42 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Because, as I said, the issue is still taboo.
A strange comment.

Presumably you envisage a time when paedophilia wil no longer be 'taboo'? Does this imply future acceptance of such activity?
I have no idea what the future holds and therefore I will not make a concrete
statement on it.

That's why I related it to being current.
Are you suggesting that you could live with a future position where paedophilia became socially acceptable?
Sex between a child and an adult is not/has not been universally taboo, and neither is/has been paedophilia.

Societal normality plays a major role. Regardless of the feelings of anyone here, if the world changes significantly over the next 50 years (and it likely will), our grandchildren will experience far different customs. There is some possibility that children will be allowed to embrace sexuality more openly, or be encouraged to do so.
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If the Public was aware of the states on Homosexual rates of Paedophilia, disease, drug use and lifestyle I would think over 90% of people would then be against Gay adoption and a good portion would favour a ban on homosexuality itself.
Paedophilia is often exhibited in heterosexual males. I'm not sure what state you're referring to on that account.

Disease among those engaging in homosexual intercourse is encouraged by the underground culture forced by societal taboo. Several years ago, HIV/AIDS spread in part because of the clandestine sexual encounters undertaken by many to avoid public scrutiny. Many chose to deny the victims assistance, dubbing it "the gay plague" or God's retribution against homosexuals. Of course, it soon spread to the heterosexual community and now threatens everyone. I'd like to take this moment to thank the pseudo-religious nutjobs who decided to speak as though they knew God's will and played a part in ruining things for the rest of us. Thanks, you asshats, now we all live in fear.

Elevated drug use I'm not sure about any statistics on. However, if higher levels do exist, they may be linked to higher levels of societal pressure.

Lifestyle is a useless term, as it has no meaning in this context.

Suggesting that gay adoption be disallowed on account of the high levels of depression, et al that are often found in known homosexuals is much like suggesting that blacks should not be allowed to adopt, on account of similar factors. Of course, most of these factors can be directly associated with things like socioeconomic status, which black people tend to have the short end of the stick on. This is one reason I do not inherently trust mob rule.

Homosexuality itself is not something that can be realistically banned at this time.
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Old 03-02-2007, 08:48 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Nobody is suggesting that homosexuality should be 'banned'.

Studies in the US suggest that paediphile abuse is higher among homosexuals than heterosexuals. Full weight should be given to these findings in prohibiting 'gay adoption'

Obviously the 'average' characteristics of coloured peoples are likely to be dragged down by the fact that many are poor and underprivileged. However, the most successful and the most religious among them are likely in every respect to make good adoptive parents.

I would guess that homosexuals are, on average, wealthier than heterosexuals. Their high depression and suicide rates can be put down to their frequently debauched lifestyle.

Who knows but a blanket ban on gay adoption may occasionally be 'unfair'. That's tough, but that's life. Sometimes it's necessary to proclaim that Christian/tratitionalist principles will be upheld for the benefit of a healthy society.
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Thank goodness.

Which studies? I insist that undue weight not be given to these figures unless causation is established.

As such, I would expect that the most successful/religious/et al homosexuals are likely to make good adoptive parents as well.

I think that's jumping the gun. First, I don't know many homosexuals who aren't or weren't in dire financial straits (many face fewer job prospects or are kicked out of their homes at a young age on account of honest confessions or perceptions), and second, I don't believe for a moment that homosexuals are necessarily 'frequently debauched' or have some manner of lifestyle that is separate from the norm.

Since when is it the province of any Christian to promote an unjust law?
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I'm surprised you should assume anything else. I have personally known four men who were jailed for paedophile offences - all against boys. I should think that's the general experience/expectation of normal people.

Here's just one of a host of learned articles on the subject

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Timothy J. Dailey, Ph. D.

However, despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two. This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners, the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners. In this paper we will consider the following evidence linking homosexuality to pedophilia:

· Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men.

· Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls).

· The 10 percent fallacy: Studies indicate that, contrary to the inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.

· Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.

· Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

· Pedophile themes abound in homosexual literary culture: Gay fiction as well as serious academic treatises promote "intergenerational intimacy."

MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

Men Account for Almost All Sexual Abuse of Children Cases
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And again...
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1: J Sex Marital Ther. 1992 Spring;18(1):34-43. Links
The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study.Freund K, Watson RJ.
Department of Behavioural Sexology, Clarke Institute of Psychiatry, Toronto, Ont., Canada.

Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.

PMID: 1556756 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Not telling us anything we didn't know already, really.

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