The National Anthem - what should it be?

Alex McKee · 15-04-2008, 06:04 AM

I do agree that invading other countries is morally wrong but you must also think what would have happened to the world if we hadn't invaded them. They would have been subjected, instead, to Spanish aggression which left the Aztec and Inca civilisations all but destroyed.

It's all well and good looking at history through modern eyes but you must also keep in mind the realities of the time. Learn from mistakes and misadventures but refrain from judging unless you are completely sure you can be fair in doing so.

I would argue that on the whole the British Empire was a force for good in the world, not evil.

BonnieDundee · 15-04-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex McKee

I do agree that invading other countries is morally wrong but you must also think what would have happened to the world if we hadn't invaded them. They would have been subjected, instead, to Spanish aggression which left the Aztec and Inca civilisations all but destroyed.

It's all well and good looking at history through modern eyes but you must also keep in mind the realities of the time. Learn from mistakes and misadventures but refrain from judging unless you are completely sure you can be fair in doing so.

I would argue that on the whole the British Empire was a force for good in the world, not evil.

I'd say it was a force for evil with some good in it. I don't think calling it a force for good is right because it encourages people that such behaviour as invading and conquering is fine.

We can certainly look at the historical context and comment that others were doing it as well. The most important thing is condemning similar conduct today.

Alex McKee · 15-04-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I'd say it was a force for evil with some good in it. I don't think calling it a force for good is right because it encourages people that such behaviour as invading and conquering is fine.

People are capable of drawing their own opinions.

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

The most important thing is condemning similar conduct today.

Indeed.

Blue Right · 15-04-2008, 02:01 PM

God save the Queen. Its a very strong and moving anthem for me, i love our anthem.

TannyD · 16-04-2008, 07:32 PM

YouTube - The Sex Pistols - God save the Queen

g hall · 16-04-2008, 10:40 PM

The British Empire came about almost by accident and was driven by trade not conquest of course if British traders are attacked what's a man to do but defend and protect.

Compared to every other empire the British one was for the times quite benevolent e.g.
Pax Brittanica
Abolishing slavery
Restraining the settlers in America before 1776

BonnieDundee · 17-04-2008, 02:31 AM

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The British Empire came about almost by accident and was driven by trade not conquest of course if British traders are attacked what's a man to do but defend and protect.

That is just ******** I'm afraid.

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Compared to every other empire the British one was for the times quite benevolent e.g.
Pax Brittanica
Abolishing slavery

Artificial famines which caused the deaths of tens of millions in British India?
Restraining the settlers in America before 1776

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Keep God Save the Queen	17	32.08%
Jerusalem	7	13.21%
I Vow to Thee My Country	3	5.66%
Land of Hope and Glory	11	20.75%
Rule Britannia	11	20.75%
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15-04-2008, 06:04 AM	#71 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	I do agree that invading other countries is morally wrong but you must also think what would have happened to the world if we hadn't invaded them. They would have been subjected, instead, to Spanish aggression which left the Aztec and Inca civilisations all but destroyed. It's all well and good looking at history through modern eyes but you must also keep in mind the realities of the time. Learn from mistakes and misadventures but refrain from judging unless you are completely sure you can be fair in doing so. I would argue that on the whole the British Empire was a force for good in the world, not evil. __________________ Anything I post on this web forum is my personal opinion only. Users on Ignore list: None.

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16-04-2008, 10:40 PM	#76 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,614	The British Empire came about almost by accident and was driven by trade not conquest of course if British traders are attacked what's a man to do but defend and protect. Compared to every other empire the British one was for the times quite benevolent e.g. Pax Brittanica Abolishing slavery Restraining the settlers in America before 1776 __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." TANSTAAFL TANJ

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15-04-2008, 02:01 PM	#74 (permalink)
Blue Right Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2	God save the Queen. Its a very strong and moving anthem for me, i love our anthem.