Sacre Bleu! The Anglo-French Union

Britannist · 17-01-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ModernUKIP

I have no doubt that it was a power-grabbing measure by the French, which would have seen us all as 'French' citizens, with a French government and Queen Elizabeth II as Head of State was supposed to be some sort of meaningless compromise.

Exactly.

We (the UK) would have been expected (in such a France-UK merger) by the French to be grateful to them for allowing us to merge into a single state with them (despite the fact that it was we who helped recover their freedom from occupation in the last World War and not the other way around). And they certainly would have made sure they held all the major levers of power in a single UK-France state. Just as they would not let the UK into the EEC (now EU) until they'd had time to rig it so we paid (as we have done every year of our membership) huge sums of money to them via the EU Common Agricultural Policy.

SGK · 17-01-2007, 10:40 AM

Britannist, sorry mate, but I think you've lost it on this one. A lot of doom and gloom supposition based on what looks like a deep seated paranoia!
For some reason you really hate the French (and I notice really like the Germans). Had there been any kind of exclusive union/partnership/federation between the UK and France in the 1950s everything from that point on, in Europe and possibly the world, would have been very different.
You might as well say that Britain should never, ever be trusted by anyone anywhere because she once had imperialistic tendencies.

Westcountryman · 17-01-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SGK

Britannist, sorry mate, but I think you've lost it on this one. A lot of doom and gloom supposition based on what looks like a deep seated paranoia!
For some reason you really hate the French (and I notice really like the Germans). Had there been any kind of exclusive union/partnership/federation between the UK and France in the 1950s everything from that point on, in Europe and possibly the world, would have been very different.
You might as well say that Britain should never, ever be trusted by anyone anywhere because she once had imperialistic tendencies.

I disagree, I think Britannist has it spot on. This was a power-grab by the French.

arden forester · 17-01-2007, 02:02 PM

Could we have said "we'll have Normandy back (the original chunk!) but not the rest your offer!" :?

SGK · 17-01-2007, 02:07 PM

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I disagree, I think Britannist has it spot on. This was a power-grab by the French.

So was it a power-grab by Churchill too?

SGK · 17-01-2007, 02:08 PM

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Could we have said "we'll have Normandy back (the original chunk!) but not the rest your offer!" :?

It was a lot more than just Normandy.
When we leave the EU, will we be able to take with us the other half of the region that has been welded onto Kent?

Westcountryman · 17-01-2007, 02:08 PM

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I disagree, I think Britannist has it spot on. This was a power-grab by the French.

So was it a power-grab by Churchill too?

We're discussing the plans of the French when Eden was in charge, not any plans made under Churchill.

SGK · 17-01-2007, 02:16 PM

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I disagree, I think Britannist has it spot on. This was a power-grab by the French.

So was it a power-grab by Churchill too?

We're discussing the plans of the French when Eden was in charge, not any plans made under Churchill.

Well alright, avoid the question if you want. What actual reason, apart from paranoid assumption, do you have for damning it as a power-grab - bearing in mind that no leader should ever propose something that is not advantagous to his country anyway?

arden forester · 17-01-2007, 02:21 PM

SGK said

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When we leave the EU, will we be able to take with us the other half of the region that has been welded onto Kent?

If we said "who's coming with us?" do you think there would be a mad rush? After all, why should it be us alone leaving those those poor sods behind?

Westcountryman · 17-01-2007, 02:22 PM

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I disagree, I think Britannist has it spot on. This was a power-grab by the French.

So was it a power-grab by Churchill too?

We're discussing the plans of the French when Eden was in charge, not any plans made under Churchill.

Well alright, avoid the question if you want. What actual reason, apart from paranoid assumption, do you have for damning it as a power-grab - bearing in mind that no leader should ever propose something that is not advantagous to his country anyway?

Call it paranoid assumption if you want, I call it reasonable conjecture.

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17-01-2007, 10:40 AM	#12 (permalink)
SGK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,237	Britannist, sorry mate, but I think you've lost it on this one. A lot of doom and gloom supposition based on what looks like a deep seated paranoia! For some reason you really hate the French (and I notice really like the Germans). Had there been any kind of exclusive union/partnership/federation between the UK and France in the 1950s everything from that point on, in Europe and possibly the world, would have been very different. You might as well say that Britain should never, ever be trusted by anyone anywhere because she once had imperialistic tendencies.

17-01-2007, 02:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,651 Party: None	Could we have said "we'll have Normandy back (the original chunk!) but not the rest your offer!" :?